The Board

Jota, who was our best player and main creative outlet.

Starfelt, a key player who never lost a domestic game with Carter Vickers.

Mooy, who people forget kept our best player this season in O’Riley on the bench last year.

Joe Hart is a year older and his reactions are a year slower.

We are yet to adequately replace Giakoumakis.

As much as I like Johnston, Juranovic is a better attacking threat.

Greg Taylor is back to being a traditional full back, a role in which he has never excelled for Celtic, although this could be levelled at the manager.

It’s far from being the same squad.

 

Cool, no need to answer a question I didn't ask then. Everyone knows we can't win every game we ever play. Stuff like that is taken as read so you're just confusing the issue. It came down to tactics today, not recruitment.

 

For me It's both mate. Poor recruitment has to affect tactics with personal availabile surely.

 

Far too much division going on at Celtic just now with the board and fans etc. far cry from anges time with every pulling in the same direction. It needs resolved asap or we’re gona shoot ourselves in the foot big time

 

Us dropping points and the gap closing between now and January mite actually spark them into life bcoz we all know that ensuring we stay slightly ahead of the huns is the limit of their ambitions.

It shouldn't be the case and they shouldn't need an excuse to back the manager and strengthen the team but I think we all know that's not gonna happen under these fuckwits.

 

You're talking about a board that wouldn't sack Lennon until the league was totally lost. As if they wanted to spite us. Also, they didn't back Strachan in his last season- the infamous Willo Flood transfer window.

 

100% on lawwell and his * of a son

 

Can it be argued that the squad isn't of the calibre required for a Rodgers style?

It's no secret the style of play Rodgers attempts to use. A few times he's switched the odd position back to what Ange would have done (inverted Taylor for example) and it tends to work.

So, arguably, why sign Rodgers to then not supply him with the adequate quality of player to see his style of play work best? He clearly needs better ball playing defenders and certain kind of wingers and front play - yet we never got any of them for him. That's on the board?



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There was every need. Let me make this simple:

1) Rodgers has made a good start in the league by the standards of most seasons.
2) But we are dropping more points against teams like Motherwell than we did in Ange's second season.
3) What I said was that I think that this is because we don't have the same quality of player rather than because of Rodgers.
4) You responded to this by asking me if we had enough quality to beat Motherwell. Clearly as a way to imply that Rodgers had the players to do so.
5) I gave a nuanced answer because I do think that Rodgers has been given the quality to mostly beat these teams (and he is in fact doing so) but I don't think that he has been given the quality to beat them with the consistency we want (which is what your question implies if you insist, as you did, that my answer be limited to the one game).

Let me turn this round and ask you a question: do you think we have the same quality on the park as we did last year?

 

I agree with this; but I would add that IMO we don't really have the quality to play Ange's style either this season. Playing Ange's style solves the Taylor problem; but it doesn't solve the Jota problem, the Abada problem, Hart's decline or Hatate's lack of availability.

 

Very true.
Which then brings it back to the manager as well, who needs to adapt with that.

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The board are squeezing this great club dry.we should be light years ahead of the rest but they are happy enough just tiddling along in mediocrity while they take their bonuses.if they were all great celtic supporters as they claim to be then in their window of oppurtunity while still on this earth they should be trying to bring in the best players possible to try and crack some form of European glory. they are all sitting tight with their shares and wealth hoping someone will buy them out or a richer league will form and they can sell up to the highest bidder.its basically a cash cow for them now.we the fans are the muppets who put up with it.also the green brigade will still be here when they are long gone.just ranting here but I can't get my head around lawless being back anywhere near the club

 

Yeah of course it affects how well tactics are implemented but people constantly going back to 'sign better players' is reductive.

Today our problems were a lack of urgency in our attacking, which was clearly a tactical decision. A lot of Motherwell's chances came from Yang losing possession and he should've been taken off at half time. Playing Palma from the start when he'll would likely be a bit jet lagged (he certainly looked it) was another mistake, although Maeda being injured gave us one less option. Missing a penalty is also not on recruitment.

Nope. There wasn’t.

 

I will never understand how they operate.

I would argue we are actually really easy to please as a fanbase if it is evident that investment and ambition is being shown on the pitch.

I mean everytime it looks like we show the above, money effectively floods into the club.

I get that it is a delicate balance to try and find a way of sustain a level if spending as well as, retain stars and expand scouting, but constant cash hoarding we see, when fans would likely have a different view of the board if we saw maybe an extra £10mill spent on improving the squad would go such a long way in making the fans happym

 

Flip the conversation to see why your framing isn't fair. Let's imagine the following reversed conversation where I employ the same framing as you did to argue that the board are not the problem, but this time to argue that Rodgers is not the problem:

You: The drop is due to Rodgers IMO.
Me: So you think Rodgers doesn't have enough quality to beat Motherwell?
You: I don't think he's good enough for us to have a better record this season than we actually have.
Me: That's not what I asked.
You: He's good enough to beat teams like Motherwell, but not good enough to beat them as consistently as Ange did last year.
Me: So you agree that he's good enough to beat Motherwell. Thank you.
You: I said he's good enough to beat Motherwell 8 or 9 times out of 10.
Me: I was asking about today.
You:

Let's get to the point. We both presumably agree that we are good enough to beat these teams 9 times out of 10 (it's an objective fact that our start has been better than average) but that we're not good enough to do it as consistently as before. The only thing we disagree on is the underlying cause. Asking if we have enough quality to beat Motherwell and then insisting in defining that question as about the one-off game rather than in general just leads us on a wild goose chase.

Incidentally, your use of present tense "don't" rather than past tense "didn't" kind of implied the general meaning too.

And so I'll ask you again: do you think we have the same quality on the field as we had last year.

 

In terms of the quality question.... If we have full squad fully fit I'd say yes, it's very close to the same level, Palma is producing similar numbers to Jota although can certainly be argued about if he's a similar level of player, Scales has came in and done so well that I don't see a drop off whatsoever from Starfelt. That being said however the goal should be to improve the squad every window not just stay at the same level.

We 100% should have enough to beat likes of motherwell even with a few injuries but theses no doubt there are 3 huge players missing. A lot of the time under Ange last season our bench was winning us games like yesterday. If we are bringing on Hatate, Abada and Maeda instead of Johnston, Tilio and Oh we probably do win that game.

The 1 position I think we are lacking in terms of last season is Giakoumakis. Having someone like him to bring on who you were always confident would get you a goal makes such a difference. It's definitely something that has to be addressed in January.

 

Add on the ticket sales from the gullible fans lapping it up. Regardless of winning losing or drawing the Celtic fans will always put the money into this club and they know it

 

This is the drum that must beaten to death - invest in the summer and make more money in the winter. It's pretty obvious