Do you agree with the ban on new petrol and diesel cars from 2035?

Internal combustion engine. What you would call a petrol or diesel car.

 

In answer to the OP's question, yeah I agree with it. We can't keep using fossil fuels forever, obviously. Cutting emissions is important and this is one step in the right direction. Some would argue that it's too soon but it's already been pushed back 5 years from the original target of 2030 and you'd hope that the infrastructure for electric cars will have improved massively by 2035.

I drive a diesel Audi at the moment and it'll be paid off by June. Going to keep it for another year or two after that as it's in great condition, meets ULEZ standards and still new enough. After that I'll switch to electric. My main concern was the range but I know that's already had improvements in the past 5 years and will continue to do so. It's not an issue for my daily commute, I'm thinking more of when I drive back up to Scotland to see family.

 

If you replace a battery after 10-15 years on an electric car, would it run for the same length of time again ?

The price a decent one is far too high for us just now. My younger sister looked at them but the only ones in price range would probably require a bew battery in the near future and the range on older, cheaper models is pretty poor.

Hyundai ioniq 5 is the one I would like. Think they look smart as.

 

That's the way I've looked at it for holidays, we always stop even if it's only 2 or 2.5hrs (someone always at the very least needs a *). We haven't replaced our car as we have thought we will run it into the ground over the next 3 or 4 years at which point the network should have improved. I wouldn't be surprised if in 10 years time almost every parking space at a supermarket has one. I know some do, but it will be a big money maker for them or even mcdonalds.

If you buy a new battery I would expect so (obviously depends on teh quality you buy) especially as 10 years later batteries could likely improve.

The Ioniq models look great, couldn't afford one though. Probably end up going with a Kona or a Nissan Leaf.

 

Aye I know where you're coming from, I'm sure I'll adjust when it comes to it. But at the moment my stops at service stations are as brief as possible. Pretty much use the toilet, let the dog pee and then go.

 

Probably been asked, but how much do people pay to "fill up" their electric cars? At the moment it costs us £50 to fill up the car, spend about £100-150 on petrol a month. Wondering if even with finance we would make a lot of it back each month.

 

I shouldn't have included the story about the water. It was merely to highlight the cost of replacing the batteries with a recent example.

The conversation was dealing with batteries when they are old. It's not going to viable in the current climate to replace batteries.

 

It depends entirely on where you charge and what kind of infrastructure you have at your house and the electricity deal.

Out and about you’re probably looking anywhere from 30-50p per KW. So if we took 40p then a typical 50/60Kw battery costs you around 20-25 quid. However that’s gonna give you 200-250 miles tops. An ICE car you’re gonna get 4/500miles from a full tank. So in reality same distance 40/50 quid. Not really gonna save you money.

If you have a home charger it’s much cheaper - a lot of providers offer an overnight rate. Mine is 7.5p. So using same example 60kw battery costs less than 5 quid. If we double 10 quid for a similar distance then it turns out much cheaper in comparison.

Problem you have is circumstances might mean you can’t always charge overnight at the cheap rate and sometimes on longer journeys you may be forced to use a public/private charger at a more expensive rate.

 

I was bit lost when you asked how long an ICE would last if used daily, and now making 125,000 miles sound astronomical mileage. A good engine looked after will exceed that with ease. There are lots of examples out there.

 

There is a much higher chance of a write-off from a minor accident with an EV compared to an ICE. Insurance companies do not want to take the risk of putting a car with a damaged battery back on the road as they could be liable. The additional cost of insuring more and more EVs will be passed onto the consumer regardless of what powers their car.

Repair costs are more expensive and take longer on average. There are also a lot of risks with storing EVs awaiting repair. They will need to be quarantined in a safe location outside to prevent any disasters with the batteries reigniting, 15 meters as per government guidelines.


https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/la...e-repair-costs-revealed-versus-ice-equivalent

https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilwi...insurance-repair-costsreport/?sh=14a47e131e05

https://assets.publishing.service.g..._operators-working-with-electric-vehicles.pdf

 

At no point have I ever said, and nor do I have the opinion that it's not viable to own an electric car.

The question asked was specifically about the cost of replacing old batteries. All I said was it wasn't viable to replace old batteries when the cost of repair is so much in relation to the value of the car.

I hate having conversations with you for this very reason. You are so determined to be right and prove others are wrong you argue over pointless things, create arguments over nothing , and accuse people of being wrong all the time for views that haven't made.

It's highly annoying.

 

I believe my word is gospel? The irony meter has gone off the scale. It's yourself that has been wrong so many times on the car threads. Your arrogance shines through every time you pick a fight on this forum. Your grudges shine through all the time. That's the reason so many people can't tolerate you and chose to ignore and block you.

I ignore you too, but I stupidly decided to answer you this time after you quoted me. Even through I was polite I could see you were trying to pick a fight. It ended up with you saying I was wrong for a statement you said I made when I very much didn't. You engineered the argument assuming what I was going to say, but I didn't.

Accusing me of making it personal is just the poor gaslighting that you always do. It's something that I have had to point out to you many times on this forum. The deleted David Goodwillie thread one of the recent examples. No attempt to discuss the topic, but very personal insults.

Your * for tat, personal grudges and gaslighting people on this forum has to stop. It was bad enough when you were a member, but now you're a moderator you need to sort out your behaviour.

I'd prefer if you didn't keep bothering me, but I know that won't happen.

 

The use of finite resources for fuel needs to stop.

There will be inconveniences to this.

People will need to adjust to them, as they’ve needed to do to technological change and infrastructure projects for centuries.

The ban is obviously correct - the question is, is the date of the ban correct? I don’t have any strong opinions on that aspect tbh.

The future is in mass, and efficient, public transport, rather than everyone driving individual vehicles, imo.