Celtic Supporters Thread (contains GB chat)

Having listened to Cynic Podcast with the GB member, I thought he came across well enough..

The frustration around communication with the board was something that was glaring, but not surprising, interesting how there was none after the CL draw was made..
Surely this is when communication between the GB and the board is needed the most.. it's clear the board care more about UEFA and how we're perceived, than us, the fans..

The survey for 'The Celtic End' as well, its clear the board are scared to put that to supporters in case they don't get the result they want.. I enjoyed the debate on the fan experience and how little our board lead on this or how narrow minded they are to ideas to change things.. and how the relationship between fans and the club is viewed as purely transactional.

'Martin' from the GB painted a really hypocritical picture of the board and the charges levied against them, especially at Easter Rd and was shocked how they were encouraged to use Pyro at a non European instead of the CL night, as a compromise.. and the fact the board have directed the Fans Liaison Officer not liaise with the GB I find incredible..

We can all see through the so called 'charge sheet'..

However, the main issue for most of us was the banner before the Killie game, for me those on the podcast shyed away from asking them directly if it was support for Hamas. He said he understood how the timing etc, could be viewed as crass and how the slogan 'Victory to the Resistance' had an older wider meaning, fair enough but again the actions of Hamas on that day haven't been condemned, which is disappointing..

To try and rectify this situation The Club and the GB need to sit down and come to some sort of understanding, for me it goes back to having more fan involvement in the Club. In the longterm maybe a quarterly meeting with all fans groups and the board, not just the GB but Celtic Trust, Bhoys, CSCs etc.. as it could also be beneficial for the GB to hear other fans views too at times..

We do seem miles away from this at the moment unfortunately..

 

Terrible from the Club tbh..

 

Banning the GB but still scooping up their ST payments without ANY communication is such a * Tory move.

I'm fact, I'll go one further;

It's a * Sevco Board move.

The longer this goes on, the worse Desmond's straw men look.

 

I don't really think both want full dialogue, the gb don't want to know wot they can't do and the board are happy to allow some idescretion and let them be accountable for them ,as long as they are brought to task when the authorities pull the club then the club are shown to be doing their bit and it then comes down to those "exuberant young scallywags " they just won't be told .

 

It's a tricky one thou is it not. Look at what Israel are doing now in revenge. It's just unthinkable and barbaric and only an animal would continue to do so.

I think one can not agree with what Hammas did along with not condemning them because it's not that simple to some. Even if they do condem them, it'll be followed up with the whataboutry from all the clowns. So IMO best to keep quiet and let everyone take it for what they personally think it is.

 

Nah, not for me.. any reasonable person can and should condemn the Hamas atrocities on the 7th of October.. whilst simultaneously finding the actions of Israel both before and after the 7th as totally sickening..

 

I think you're way off here, mate. HAMAS's murder of 1,400 mostly civillians is not justified by all the many crimes of Israel for exactly the same reason as Israel's killing of thousands of Gazan civilians currently is not justified by HAMAS's massacre. The group had a banner saying "victory to the resistance" on that day. They should clarify that banner and condemn HAMAS.

Resistance can have different meanings; but I really think there is a genuine consensus about the ethics of the extremes of what it can mean. Almost every fan would find non-violent resistance acceptable and almost every fan surely must find HAMAS's recent massacre abhorrent. It is true that mileage varies regarding what kinds of "resistance" individual supporters are willing to condone between those extremes*; but HAMAS are so extreme that the group don't have to enter into that in order to condemn them.

IMHO, the best way to defeat "whataboutery" is to condemn HAMAS. It lends them a legitimacy they don't deserve to avoid doing that. The IDF is the military of a democratically elected government (however disgusting) and so in some sense represents Israel. HAMAS won (narrowly) a single genuinely open and fair election almost 2 decades ago followed by winning half of a civil war. That's something quite different. No doubt they are popular in Gaza now, because they are fighting an enemy that is killing thousands of Gazans; but they don't seem to have enjoyed popular support in Gaza before that. They don't represent Gaza.

For me, I wish the group would just clarify the banner, condemn HAMAS, reiterate their support for Palestinian resistance (including violent resistance if they wish to condone that) and point out that whataboutery is spurious because HAMAS don't represent the Gazans (let alone the Palestinians as a whole) in the same way that the IDF represents Israel.


* Some fans will also support violent resistance against military targets and some might not, some might go further and support certain kinds of civilian targets (such as heavily armed settlers in the West Bank) and others certainly will not. Some might even condone the firing of rockets at Israeli cities at a time when Gaza is being heavily bombed by the Israeli airforce due to the assymetry in weaponry the sides have and the relative unavailability of precision weapons for HAMAS and others won't. The point is that GB don't have to enter into any of this in order to condemn HAMAS. They can condemn HAMAS for things nearly everyone agrees on.

 

If the Green Brigade are so determined to protest about something maybe they should focus on matters closer to home and truly go after the Celtic board.

 

I can't believe they are dressing it up as a safety matter

 

Here come the children demanding the world while not giving an inch.

 

I don't see any issue with the statement tbh they've categorically stated it's not all on the Palestine display ... whether you choose to believe it or not is a different story

 

Ironically, I genuinely find this comment quite childish.

 

This is what I'm reduced to in this place. Definition of insanity and all that.

 

Oh well, don't take it so seriously. My observation was itself quite childish too TBF. There are worse things than childish comments.

FWIW, what I find most frustrating is the amount of statements of interpretation or even just opinion on this thread stated as though they were statements of fact. I imagine there are probably some by me too, I'm not claiming any kind of moral high ground here. I don't know what it is about this topic that encourages that, but it's kind of bonkers and makes it harder to have a sensible discussion.

 

Statement v Statement repeat...

 

To be fair it's the Internet in general I find, everywhere you look people are planting their flag on one side of any particular issue, furiously dismissing the other side even though they have no actual knowledge of the inner workings of said issues.

The most recent outrage being 'the board banning the GB for flying the Palestinian flag'. Quite obviously bullshit but folk will stick to that drivel regardless. Pointless even arguing with folk really.

 

The GB don’t do interviews.