Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

kyogo made plenty of runs last night everyone was too scared to pass the ball to him instead passed is backwards and sideway ,dont think we should be limiting our best player by not giving him the ball. possession doesnt win games

 

Shakhtar beat Barca last night with minimal possession. It's time we adjusted our play style to reality. But most people here want us to have lots of possession.

 

its the stark difference between rodgers and ange ,bravery on the ball .a defence splitting pass may lose possession but it might win the game.

 

Bravery on the ball was insufficient even with Ange in Europe. Way too much possession.

 

What you need ultimately is a firm belief in a style of play, one way or the other, I think. Either you go out there like a Club Brugge (from a few years ago) or a Salzburg and you play to dominate the ball regardless of the standard, like how we tried under Ange, or you go out set up to defend and hit on the break/at set pieces, as we've done in the past successfully.

 

Our problem is the different environments we find ourselves in. In Scotland, firm belief in attacking football gives results, because we have the best players in the league. In Europe, the best of SPFL isn't worth *.
We need a flexible manager willing to completely change the approach depending on the opposition.

 

Or, hear me out, buy players capable of playing at the European level.
And not relying (absolutely zero offence to the guys) on players like scales, Taylor, Hart, loan youth prospects like Bernardo for your toughest game of the season.

3-4 players we could have done with, of good quality, would have walked two of the games so far and put up a fight last night.

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Yeah, you're right. I think either you go all in in Europe though and say we're not changing our style and we're going to dominate the ball etc., knowing sometimes (or often) it will go wrong, or you say, okay, we will dominate the ball domestically but shut up shop in Europe, and stick to that. Problem I find - and I'm not meaning to dig Rodgers out here as our performances in the first three matches were very good in spells - is that he doesn't quite know what he wants to do in Europe. I think he's overawed and a bit feardy (hence his comments about the gulf) so won't go all out to try and dominate the ball, but equally he's too principled to completely sit back, and I'm not sure that works. I mean, it's evident it doesn't really work if you just look at his results on the continent throughout his career.

 

In theory, sure. In practice - first we need to force the board out. And have enough homegrown players to fill the quota.

 

I genuinely don't think so. I don't think he could bare the thought that in years to come his legacy would be one of betrayal. He has come back to make amends.

 

Firstly I said "patchy" in the league in reference to the performances, which despite these away results, still looks far from ideal.
Ppl celebrating this away run pish need to understand that's the exactly what any manager at Celtic should be doing. I'm neither gonna eat his lunch, nor have a * party for it.

Secondly, what were the RESULTS in those European games?
It's interesting youre using results as a stick to beat me with domestically, but conveniently ignoring them in Europe.
I will reiterate, he's doing exactly the bare minimum expected domestically, ie. On track to win the league. Big * whoop. We're the biggest and richest club in the country. Anything less would see him on the block.


Thirdly, this is not, I repeat NOT "one poor result", as you should well know. Or do you think we've had a perfect domestic and European run since the start of the season?

Lastly, in reference to the bandwagon bhoys, I don't give a * whether he left us or not, upon his return at least. I never wanted him back, and now , imo, we're stuck with him.

This notion that ANY criticism of Rodgers is somehow motivated by his past departure is nonsense. He's simply not doing a good enough job for me to ignore results like last night as an anomaly. That result certainly did not happen in a vacuum.

Our performances are uneven in the league, we're out of the league cup, sitting a solitary point in a * "gimme" CL group, and his first transfer window was a * * show.

As I said in my original post, he simply HAS to get next this window right. Or we're in * trouble.

That's my opinion. You have yours. I'm desperate to be proved wrong, whereas you're ignoring the evidence to contrary, "early" as it is.

 

He's been called a narcissist by others, and I simply connected his statements of agreement with the board policy during the transfer window with those assertions.

 

We all know he wasn’t helped in summer, but he needs to do something about the total lack of composure in this side in Europe.

Wasteful in front of goal (though arguably less so than under Ange), and we’ve had more cards than Moonpig.

Every single game we’ve shot ourselves in the foot, usually in multiple ways. That isn’t just a recruitment issue.

I believe in Brendan, and I think the players have let him down to an extent, but he needs to coach them be able to deliver on what has generally been a decent level of play.

Never doing anything on the continent with a rate of 3 red cards every 4 games.

 

I don't remember red cards being this easily dished out in prior seasons. UEFA must've given instructions to referees to be harsher on certain challenges. We benefited from this against RC, but got burnt in Europe.

 

It isnt just one defeat though, is it?! Its three. Its an all too familiar story.
im sure there is an age old adage that if you dont learn the lessons from the past then history is bound to repeat itself. How has Rodgers learned?

And did we start to judge games on one half? Or section of the game? Now some fans are even talking about possession stats before sendings off.
When we beat Barca when Tony Watt scored, did they speak about how the loss wasnt as bad because they dominated the ball? We have developed such a tin pot mentality. MoNs or WGS team from those eras would wipe the floor with this lot. Real characters.

45 minutes or sections of games dont win points and/or qualification. Of course the sending off affected us, but the game is played over 90 minutes. Why do we switch off so bad? Why do we implode?

How can we consistently attribute this to bad luck/var when its a recurring theme?

 

Spot on mate. The standards are so low amongst the support these days, which is a result from the mentality that has been drip fed from the board in increments over the last 10 years.

Under MON and to a lesser extent Strachan, our mentality was to win games in Europe, especially at home, against any opposition.

Lennon's teams were underdogs too but in his first stint we still had an ok record at home and the expectancy to do well was somewhat there. Under Deila, Rodgers, Lennon's second term, Ange and now Rodgers' again - - keeping possession (without doing much with it) and a few good spells in matches where we aren't being completely dominated are seen as successful. Meanwhile our record in Europe continues to take a battering.

Its unfortunate that many fans have bought into this mentality, it just shows that the constant downsizing and propaganda from the higher ups in charge have worked a treat. They do not give a * about us doing well in Europe. We already knew that, but the Summer transfer window proved it once and for all. Someone said to me yesterday that we shouldn't judge Celtic managers in Europe.

It's frightening that it's gotten to this stage quite frankly. Again, I don't see how this changes anytime soon unless we rip the club up from top to bottom, that means a new owner and a new board. It means changing how we operate in the transfer market and changing our youth setup. It also means a sizeable change in our players' psychology when it comes to these games.

I've never seen a team make as many mistakes, stupid decisions and show the same naivety we do in EVERY SINGLE GAME. 99% of the goals we concede are avoidable. And we always concede goals or get red cards at the worst possible times. It's pretty unbelievable how this happens in every single game, every single year.

So much needs to happen and we're miles away from it ever happening. Without a massive shake up we'll see many more nights like last night for years to come, mark my words.

 

Although team looked psyched up from the start their positivity was pretty fragile and the PTSD struck soon as that first goal went in.

 

Exactly mate, some are talking about the game last night like it was 0-0 before Maeda got sent off.

We were already one down, their main threat left in acres of space at the edge of our box.
Their game plan might have been to counter the whole night and we still might have dominated possession and lost 4-0.

 

I still don't understand why he come back when he was given pennies of a budget to improve us?

He can't be happy as results like last night reflect badly on him. I'm expecting a huge January window and nothing else.

I was also expecting a huge summer window mind you.....