Celtic Supporters Thread (contains GB chat)

They were indeed, which is why you should review my quote above once again.

 

A lion is an animal. The HAMAS leadership are human beings, have agency and know exactly what they are choosing to do. The analogy breaks down badly at that point.

Edit: just look how well-planned this was to underscore that point.

 

Not when Palestinians have been treated worse than animals for centuries.

 

Are you seriously arguing that Palestinians have become animals after decades of being treated like them?

 

I get what your saying but your still using terms pro Israel about wiping them out.

As much as I don't agree with Hamas and what they did the other day. It was barbaric and no one can support that but still I wouldn't agree with isreal wiping Hamas out. I see it as they have no other choice. It's like someone barbarically raping and killing your kids, others around it where there and witnessed it without doing anything and maybe encouraging it. You'd feel bitter towards them and want to kill them too. While I don't agree, I totally understand there frustration and wanting to strike back.

I tell ya one thing, they where ruthless and that was some move from them on a tactical sense. To send 1000 men in like that and to do what they did was crazy and took some going. Especially against the might of Israel who have that place surrounded like they do. As much as it was brutal, in palastine they will hold them men in high regard now for what they did. That's from a palastinian point of view!

 

You are arguing over semantics. Innocent Women and children have been murdered (on both sides I might add).

 

Is why it's most important to call for peace instead of wiping out each side. Horrific stuff from both sides although isreal are the main cause of it all. No words for what they've done to the palastinians, men, women, children and the elderly. And this isn't just a recent thing. It's been going on 70 years. They just don't like it when they get a taste of their own medicine!

 

And by choosing the wording so carefully its fair to say they have told us where they stand.. which makes the boards decision all the easier tbh.
Aye there simply isn't a serious discussion to be had about whether hamas have made things worse.. as it's blatantly obvious they have - which is exactly what the hamas leadership wanted by the looks of it.

 

That coincidence, with a fair leap of faith, could have been a possibility but I'm a cynical * and I don't think the gb wouldn't be aware of the relevance of the word.
I wouldn't, didn't, want to believe any one would support it either RR. However the realty/facts are - gb issued a statement, after it was becoming very apparent that many were questioning had they seriously shown support for hamas/what was happening.. so they had time/an opportunity to clear up any misunderstanding the banner created BUT the statement didn't mention hamas.. far less criticise them and by then the rumours of the atrocities being committed were spreading.
So the gb had ample opportunity to clear up any misunderstanding/dig themselves out of a hole but they chose to not say anything about hamas .. and still haven't despite the shitstorm thats hit. Although, being honest, if they try to criticise them now that would only be an insult to the intelligence of folk.
So their actions, combined with their silence tells me, and plenty of other folk, plenty sadly mate.

 

I think it's a fair point. This talk of "wiping out" just legitimises violence and I should stop.

Mate, there's something about this that makes my skin crawl. This wasn't a crime of passion, this was an expertly planned and ruthlessly executed operation that deliberately included non-combatants as a majority of its targets. Evil doesn't stop evil (sometimes violence is necessary in order to resist evil; but violence and evil are different things). I have a very strong suspicion that provoking the current horrific, criminally indiscriminate response by Israel was the whole point of the operation.

I can't back my feeling up with any evidence currently, so I'll send you my opinion by PM rather than posting it on here; but it is the only motivation that makes sense to me.

 

I posted this earlier, it seems this is exactly what the leadership of hamas wanted which if you think about it suits them to remain in power and relevant.

https://www.ft.com/content/d52e8653-8ee6-40fd-a9b0-14fb5e1794c9

 

It's a flag with the same background with "Celtic ultras" in Arabic instead of Shahada, the only other widely used Shahada flag with a Green background and white is by Saudi Arabia, expect their's has a sword on it

It's possible the person flying it didn't realise how similar they are, though they really should If they are going to fly banners like this

 

With regards to the Celtic Ultras/Hamas flag, I think there's every chance the person that made and waved it is just an eejit.

I do kind of agree with what Rogic said, a significant proportion of people involved in these demonstrations have no idea what's going on in the Middle East. You reckon that guy know what's in the Hamas constitution or what they get up to of a weekend? He probably just thought it looked cool.

In general, you have to take what comes out of 111 with a pinch of salt. When you're standing firm against Israel one week and Rod Stewart the next, there's only so seriously I can take you.

 

You said the other day they have fired wide of the mark with political banners on the past. I asked what one’s you thought with but you didn’t reply. What banners have they been wide of the mark with previously?

 

I think * Off Rod Stewart was a tad silly, don't you?

 

I think with the current narrative in the media and the Israeli response its important as a support we stand with the people of Palestine.. however uncomfortable that may be for the board and some supporters..

The GB could of course make that easier by adding to their statement but its actually a lot bigger than that.. in the grand scheme of things it probably doesn't matter much what a football club in Scotland does.. but the fact we're in the UK may offer some crumb of comfort to Palestinians around the world that support for Israel is not universal.

 

I think that was in response to him choosing to play a concert in Israel.

 

I'm sure it was in response to him making some pro-Tory comment, mate.

 

nice to see tom rogic spending his retirement wisely im guessing you meant biton

 

Wasn't it because he publicly congratulated Boris Johnson on his election victory? A result that literally caused a higher sudden drop in our collective happiness than the start of the pandemic did. In fact, I think it's still the biggest recorded drop in our happiness levels since we started measuring it under Cameron.

Still, it was great news for centimillionaires like good ol' Rod.