Controversial Celtic opinions

Seriously and genuinely one of the best .ost thought provoking posts on the forum ans something which I'm genuinely at odds with in certain parts of the forum , put your name fwd for moderator in history and politics ,wot a great fkn post mate .

 

Aye well the GB have been criticised a few times for various reasons but they have the right to protest if they want to. You're never going to get everyone to agree with a banner or message inside the stadium that isn't directly about supporting the club.

Yeah there's arseholes in every support, don't think anyone sensible is pretending otherwise. I don't see any issue with a support collectively uniting in large groups to say that we don't want to be associated with vile racism, or other types of discrimination.

Society changes and so do values. A modern Celtic should be secular in my opinion, as we are open to people from any background. That doesn't mean we can't acknowledge our historical link to Catholicism, without the need to align ourselves to (in my opinion) outdated religious beliefs. I don't think we're losing anything fundamental to the club's identity by adopting modern views that the majority of western society shares.

I'm proud that the club take stances of being anti-racist, anti-homophobic and generally being anti-discrimination. If the club didn't take those views, instead being in favour of traditional Catholic beliefs, I doubt I'd want to continue my support tbh.

 

Thanks very much mate. I'm not trying to be at odds with anybody, just how I feel about it.

I don't feel quite as strongly. Like, if Celtic cut all ties with its Irish Catholic roots, I'd be very disappointed, but it wouldn't change how I feel about my identity as a Celtic fan. What I don't like is elements of the support trying to sort of gatekeep membership. It's like a No True Scot argument, if you don't have the right views, you're not one of us. I think that's not on, that's not being a club open to all.

 

Fair enough. I don't think we'll ever cut ties with our Irish roots, and I think there will always be an acknowledgement of the Catholic roots too.

I can fully understand what you're saying about gatekeeping, I wouldn't agree with that either.

 

This is where I am now, as I said earlier 40 years ago as a teenager I was on the terraces barking out all the usual stuff and all that came with it, but then I grew up moved away seen the world and the bubble I had been living in and the doctrine I had adhered to fell away. As a person I changed a lot, I love Celtic for the history, the football, I love Celtic for what it stands for and does for the community, I love the signing (not the provo songs), the banter, the micky taking, I love seeing 50k+ doing the huddle.
In the last few years there are a lot of things I don’t like, some of the tifos have been short of the mark, some of the songs some of the chanting has been cringy, having no respect for others or minutes silences no matter the belief is poor at best and half the time if you voice an opinion in here your a secret hun.

I hope we can change without losing the passion and fun, we’re never all going to agree especially on religion and politics so they should be left at the door when we enter parkhead, and it should be all about the football

 

The views of the Green Brigade and some of the things they say, and also some of the politics that they promote are sometimes contradictory and defeat their own purpose.

They tend to (as do many Celtic fans) align themselves politically with socialism and left wing politics.....with republicanism and 'fighting the oppressor' in every situation throughout the world. Many dont stop to think that every situation is different and that they probably dont understand the specifics surrounding a lot of these world problems yet still maintain a very radicalised view.

The situation with Ireland is different. It is our culture, our history and we have a right to have a view on it. As with Scottish politics. But to just blindly side with Palestinian separatist groups for example, just because it appears that Israel is similar to Britain in the way it colonises and rules over the percieved 'rightful' owners of the country....its a bit nieve to expect everyone to share the same opinion on this......and expect everyone to be sharpening their weapons for the cause of freedom....in a situation that we really dont have any link to whatsoever.

Its the same with the issue of Basque independence and Catalan independence. Not our problem really. I dont think they would give a * about us or our situation.

A lot of our fans also bang the drum for political freedom. For everyone's right to political liberty. But then blindly condemn anyone with views percieved to be right wing or that deviate from the left wing socialist politics that they think we should promote. That bit is contradictory

 

I wouldn't want us to lose our identity. That's what makes us more than a club. That's what stood us apart from the 100 other teams who were just about the football.

If we are open to all, though, then that needs to mean all. I despise everything the Tory party stands for, but who am I to say who is and isn't welcome at CP?

The idea of leaving politics at the door is always going to provoke debate as the club came into existence for political/social welfare reasons.

I love Celtic because of the history; the triumphs and the tragedies; the heroes and legends; the traditional style of play; the passion of the fans; what the club stands for and how their links to Ireland reflect my own.

Personally, I wouldn't miss the IRA songs these days. I love the passion, colour and faithful support that the GB bring and would love to see that spread to other areas of the stadium.

I suppose things have changed.

Back in the 80s, for example, when the Jungle was belting out the Rebel songs, the rest of the crowd were likely on the same page. I think our support has broadened to the point that there is division over what the GB do.

Getting back to my original point, though, what makes Celtic fans claim that we're the greatest fans?

I mean, I think we are great, when we get it right our atmosphere is special. But sometimes the GFITW thing totally bites us in the *.

 

I hate the ‘a club open to all’ mantra we proclaim to be

it’s just bullshit and not true

we are not open to sectarian bigoted loyalists
We are not open to anyone with fascist views
We are not open to racists or zionists for example

 

Yea we also don’t want rapists either if anyone is unsure.

Common sense applies, very obviously, to the “Club open to all”.

 

or Mo Johnstone. The door is most definitely not open for that *.

 

We are open to rats it seems

 

I mean is that true but? I've shared a supporters bus with plenty of people with * insane views on you-name-it. I might have thought they were an * but no less a Celtic fan. I think outside of the North Curve supporters probably have more diverse views than at any time in the past.

I'd rather see us focus on what still unites us rather than more divisive issues. We've got a history that's cultural, political and ideological that we can draw on, a great tradition of charity as well. I wouldn't say factions of the support shouldn't campaign or protest for what they believe in but you shouldn't try and make the club all 'about' your own token beliefs, you can have your say without being exclusive.

 

Winning trebles makes it less appealing for players who were part of that season to stick about as realistically that's as good as it gets for them.

 

The new home strip is a * disgrace

 

Somehow I don't think this a controversial opinion

 

Most controversial thing is that someone is claiming it's controversial.

Short sleeved version isn't as bad though

 

It'll be controversial if it sells in decent numbers.......

 

I know it ultimately isn't important, but it annoys me when new contracts are announced with "will" rather than "would" or "could". For example, the announcement of Reo Hatate's today:

Fair enough with Ralston, there's good reason to suppose that "will" is appropriate for him; but unless the club have some information they aren't sharing on Hatate's intentions, then you can't just say it "will" keep him here until 2028 when you know fine well it probably won't. End of rant.

 

You sound like you're scratching around for any sort of negative, in the style of @themouth1888

 

Ffs mate take a day off.