Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

Some amount of panty wetting eejits on this forum.

 

It beggars belief that anyone seriously thinks BR is not being backed? Like seriously?

The outlay is there. Just because we haven't gone and spunked £8m here and £12m there and dropped a whole lot of the Jota money doesnt mean he hasn't been backed.

Seriously, does anyone honestly believe, after how things turned out the last time BR was here and knowing the frustration he had with PL etc over signings/being backed, that BR & his agents etc would not have negotiated some sort of stipulation into his contract regarding BR having a fair bit of influence if not the final say when it comes to signings etc, then they don't know thing one about professional football.

Celtic went out of their way to get Rodgers. He didn't come chasing Celtic when it was increasingly likely or when it was confirmed that Ange was away. Celtic broke what has been the managerial structure since Fergus McCann took over, in that every Celtic manager has been on a 1 year rolling contract, from Burns through O'Neill and Strachan right through to Ange. 1 year rolling contract, so that every single day added 1 year to the contract with pay incrementals and bonuses on a completed season by season basis. All that got tossed to have Rodgers pen a 3 yr deal this summer.

That is a big * step, but if anyone honestly beilves that the club were the ones that instigated that change in order to get Rodgers to come back is delusional. And anyone who thinks that all of these signings have been forced on Rodgers without his approval are equally delusional.

 

We were poor yesterday. Absolutely no question. However in fairness to Rodgers(it’s very hard for me to put them words down) we have to have a bit of calm here. I came out of CP berating him for his lack of tactics but we actually had good periods of pressure. A clear tactic at times was Lagerbike playing in to the central area and then a quick ball out wide and cross in to the box. We put several excellent balls in the box and just had no takers. On another day we win by three or four. Also we have a brand new CB pairing which hopefully we’ll never see again as Scales is rank rotten. Missing Hatate and CCV. AJ getting back to peak levels.
Talk of getting shot of him is madness.
Big week ahead

 

Even if O’Riley scores his two, it’s an awful performance.

Our ideas of pressure are very different. St Johnstone were very comfortable sitting in and that shouldn’t be the case in any game we play.

We had zero ideas.

 

I actually meant to say we had good periods of play. Not pressure. My mistake. Our pressing, bar one moment straight after the second half was non existent. I agree it was an awful performance. However there is major overreactions atm.

 

I am being real he’s under severe pressure to get it right and he’s not got much credit in bank left with a lot of the support tbh.

 

Rodgers has already alluded to the way the recruitment now works in his press conferences multiple times. The scouts pass on players to Mark Lawwell who then discusses the players with Nicholson, McKay and Rodgers. He obviously has a say in who comes in. Don’t think anyone is suggesting that they’re being forced on him. If they are, that’s plain wrong.

However, I’ll disagree on the backing. The club have spent £20m(with the Palma deal) on 6 different players. None of the players are getting in that first 11 had we kept the same players from last season. Granted, they’re all younger who have plenty of time to develop and they look promising but the club needed to upgrade 3/4 key positions this summer to take us on in Europe. We all know the positions, we’ve spoken about them enough. What we’ve done is further bloat an already bloated squad with more squad fillers, when we could have used that £20m and brought in 3/4 first team ready players.

We’ve spent money. It’s just not been spent appropriately. We’ve also not spent enough. Especially when you’ve taken £35m in from player sales and £5m for your ex manager.

 

And this is it, money spent on yet again projects when it needed spent ready made upgrades.

Giakoumakis, Hart, Juranovic, kyogo, all came in at an age of experience (26 mainly, Hart excluded). All came in around 5-6million (again Hart excluded).

Why aren't we seeing that sort of investment in to the side? Ready made players who know their game and their job, not 21 year olds still finding their feet and needing developed.

That's why we say he isn't backed, because no one we've signed is improving this squad to move forward.

Don't think any manager in the world would say this is being backed, when the squad is bloated with projects and no real improvement going forward


Sent from my M2012K11AG using Tapatalk

 

We went to a 3 year deal in order to prevent a repeat of the chaos caused by the sudden departures of Rodgers and Ange. Now, any club that wants our manager will have to pay a big compensation.

 

In fairness against you there, none of those players cost more than 5 million.

GG - 3.5ish
Hart - 1
Juranovic 2.5
Kyogo 4.5

The experience point yes, we should be getting experience in as well, but bad example on the spending money side. Jota and CCV as prime examples of how spending can work.

The issue is mostly the lack of anyone with real pedigree coming in to bolster things.

 

Sums it up for me. First half wasn't that bad, ran out of ideas last 20 minutes but.

 

If we have spent around 15m which I’m not sure on, reported fees I think will be more than we have actually paid.

In any case it’s the usual 15m on 6 players which leaves the standard no better. We have plenty of sellable assets in Hatate, Abada, Oriley etc…

We need to stop stockpiling project punts. By all means add 1/2 projects but not 4/5 in one window. Focus the money on genuine ready made quality and spend that 15m on 2/3 players for the here and now.

 

He has been mediocre for a while !! He was awful the last two years at Leicester !! He inherited a pretty decent squad & slowly made it worse. His substitutions were very predictable and he never adapted to change.

 

Such as?

Like seriously, what are you proposing?

During a period of unequalled domestic domination and success including winning 11 of the past 12 League titles, including 5 trebles and a double in 7 seasons. Off the field there has been loads of revitalization and building projects undertaken, the investment and advancement of the women's team, the bank balance is in a very healthy place - and all of this while a global pandemic crippled the wider economy not just domestic football.

And just how and what wouid you do in your ideal scenario? Even if BR came out and said, oh DD blocked me signing this guy or PL tanked x,y,z transfers, why would you believe BR to tell the truth any more than anyone else? After all his talk during his first time here of this being his dream job and everything. Hiow has doing that worked out for Neil Lennon? And ofc if he were to go he'd want to put his own spin on things. So why would you/everone suddelny take BR at his word if he were to go in the scenario you described?

And just for * and giggles, say you got your way, that all you said happens BR leaves, points the finger at PL, DD or whoever, what 'action' against DD & co would you propose? Buy them out of their shares? Where you getting the money from, even if they would agree to sell? DD only about a year or so ago had an interview in which he stated he has 'zero intent on selling a single share' or something along those lines and he owns roughly 37.1% with the current Board also in direct control of another 11.7%, which is a combined 48.8%.

Of the other significant players and investors in the club in terms of shareholdings, any one of which could easily side with the Board and make any such discussion entirely moot anyhow. Or trying to get every single one outside of the Board to combine against that when literally any one of 4 or 5 people who own more than 1.3% makes that again entirely moot. And those individuals and parties are not looking to make enemies with someone like DD because they are involved in a lot of business with the likes of DD, not just involved in Celtic.

As regarding @Celtic_Daft1888 points, I am not disagreeing with you, but if BR had said, "I only want player X, play Y and player Z at price tag £7-8m, £10m & £5-6m to immediately strengthen the first XI and outside of those don't think we need to invest in other areas at this time", then why would he greenlight the signings that have been made? Again, he inherited a squad that had been highly successful and apart from 3 players that have left who played a significant role in 2022/23 season the vast majority of which are still there.

But as you also point out, there is still money available should someone he really wants be identified and can secure their signing before the transfer deadline, or again, come January.

What do you think a 1 year rolling contract means? It means every single day it is renewed by 1 year. It also includes provisions for incremental rises based on period served as well as targets achieved, but that does not exclude that improved terms cannot be further renegotiated and activated.

A 3 yr contract signed in June is now a 2yr 10mth contract and ticking down regardless of what is achieved, but there would be some kind of financial incentive for goals achieved on a season by season basis. The time is ticking down, not continuiously adding on. Do you think Celtic were not getting paid by Spurs because it happened at the end of the season? Spurs would've had to fork out something to the tune of at least £5m to buy out Ange's contract and pay compensation to Celtic, just as Leicester had to when they approached BR in Feb 2019.

 

As detailed as this reply was mate, think it's slightly wasted in a guy that hits out with things like 'none if this confidentiality clause pish'. Be surprised if the guy made it by the first paragraph.

 

We are also literally top of the league - it's not been great so far but jesus.

 

Rodgers won't be sacked so early. No chance! He'll see the season out even if it's a bad one. To much money it'll cost to sack him early. With that said, all this talk of sacking is ridiculous so early.

Fans take action haha. Go look at our trophy haul a nice Dermot took over. Behave yourself.

 

Sorry. Im no reading all thaf

Aye everythings fine

 

Told ye @Taz