Not Actually that Crucial a Summer as of August 2023...beginning to now think everything isnt fine!

Livaković or Forster are no better at passing. Usually, better shot-stopping ability meant the GK in question has trained on that more, possibly to focus on a natural strength, whereas passing is a weakness. If we take a technically proficient keeper, the story will be reversed.

 

It's crazy. People just making ridiculous hyperbolic observations in an attempt to defend Hart for some strange reason.

We all know we need better. We're not expecting the next Ederson in goals.

There's a wide, wide chasm between Ederson and Joe Hart. All we're wanting is a goalie somewhere within that chasm. It's not * rocket science.

 

Hes not great with the ball at his feet, im not denying that.

I think the truth, as always, lies somewhere in the middle of our conflicting views. Yes , we can upgrade, but he's nowhere near as bad as you're suggesting.

 

Fraser Forster is a 35 year old (almost the same age as Hart) English goalie. He probably barely did any passing training growing up. Of course he's not great on the ball.

Football has changed. Goalies these days are being coached how to be a 'traditional' keeper, and how to be better on the ball. Young-ish keepers on the continent, playing at a good level, will mostly be reasonable on the ball. It's not this ridiculous concept that is exclusive to the best keepers on the planet.

 

I think as the season slowy starts we are finding out a few things about where we are as a club. For one i do not believe the stories that BR came back because he had unfinished business at celtic, i think he came back because we were offering wages no one else was. The statement that he will work with what ever player celtic provides has me worried. Im not sure we have the the same BR as last time round, not saying he is any less of a manager but i think he has come back with very few demands or agreements in place regarding players.
7 players signed and how many are first team 11, same old celtic scrabbling about in the last few days of a window buying what no one else wants.

 

I don't think he's a terrible goalie - just his ability on the ball is terrible.

But in general it's fairly clear he's rapidly declining in ability. I honestly think if he's our number 1 keeper this season he costs us several points and won't keep the scores down in Europe.

 

you said it was easy!

''Must be loads going about''. ''How * hard is it...''

Barkas is proof that its not as simple as that

 

Yes. You want a keeper better than Hart in every relevant GK category. That would cost more than the club are prepared to pay for any player. Even if this hypothetical GK needs to be merely equal to Hart in shot stopping and claiming crosses, but better with the ball and at penalties, that's still probably too pricey for our board.

We didn't want to enter a race for Livaković who is a pure shot stopper. He was too expensive for us. That tells you what we'd have to pay for an all-round GK good enough for CL.

 

At not point have I said it's easy. It's never easy signing any player.

It's not easy but it's not as difficult as we're making it look, or as people like yourself would suggest it is.

 

Why would it cost more? I * loathe this argument.

Jota was better in every relevant wide player category than essentially any winger we've had in 15 years. Did he cost more than we were prepared to pay?

CCV is better in every relevant CB department than any centre half we've had since VVD. Did he cost too much?

The same goes for Kyogo, Hatate, Alistair Johnston.

We've had this debate before and it's as stupid now as it was the last time. For some reason you have it in your head that a goalie who is better than Hart will cost us £15m+. It's nonsense. Hart is * at claiming crosses so straight away it's not difficult to improve there. His shot stopping is decent but getting worse. He's non existent at penalties and pish with the ball at his feet.

Do you realise how low a bar that is?

I've just given three names who would be massive upgrades on Hart. Two of them are about to be sold for around £6m. The other signed for Mallorca last season for £2m and would probably be attainable for double/triple that now.

 

Livakovic might not have been the best with the ball at his feet, but he was a world-class shotstopper and almost everyone here would have taken him in a heartbeat.

Prime Forster was the same, fantastic shot-stopper, mediocre with the ball.

Obviously getting both would be nice, but the idea that Hart is difficult to replace is just silly. Kovacevic from Rakow would be an instant upgrade, and they're likely getting knocked out the CL next week so there's no chance they're keeping him.

 

Kovacevic is seemingly going to be sold for around £6m. A massive upgrade on a 36 year old Joe Hart.

@Leone Naka Fan he'd cost far too much, though, right? £6 million?

 

Dont think iv ever seen him play tbh

But this is on his wiki and taken from article in the guardian so surely most be decent.

Dúbravka has been dubbed the "quintessential sweeper-keeper" due to his "outstanding footwork" and he believes "in modern football the keeper's almost like a libero. You need to play with the ball, not just kick it long".[37]

Louise Taylor of The Guardian christened Dúbravka the "reluctant keeper" after he admitted his favourite position to play is right wing; he sometimes plays as an outfielder in training and coaching staff have suggested that he switch to a midfield role.[37]

 

Peretz is wanted by Bayern. Rajković won't go after just one season. Kovačević we maybe can get, but I wonder do his team even play possesion football. Mallorca absolutely don't.

Just to address one of your points in another post: not every younger keeper has been trained to play with the ball. Livaković is a clear example.

 

I'm not sure why there's a argument to be had over Hart when he's not even a good shot stopper anymore, nevermind distribution.. can't save pens to save his life etc.

 

He is wanted by Bayern, which is a clear indicator of his qualities. That interest is fairly fresh. Another one we could probably have signed up a month ago if we actually moved with any sort of pace in the market.

Saying Rajkovic wouldn't go after a season is a pointless statement as you literally don't know that. Kovacevic is miles better than Hart so that's enough for me.

I said most young-ish goalies on the continent will be reasonable on the ball. Not all of them. And I dare say Livakovic isn't as pish on the ball as Hart, even if he isn't great.

The point is, it's not a mammoth task to sign a keeper who is better than Hart and wouldn't cost a ridiculous fee. I'm not a scout and I've just listed three players. The fact you can't seem to accept that is hilarious.