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Not Actually that Crucial a Summer as of August 2023...beginning to now think everything isnt fine!

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by Mr Shelby, May 3, 2023.

Discuss Not Actually that Crucial a Summer as of August 2023...beginning to now think everything isnt fine! in the Celtic Chat area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. murphy88

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    If we were to bring in Tierney, then Bernabei could probably be sold. Although, if Rodgers doesn’t play with inverted full backs and goes with a more conventional role, it would arguably make more sense to sell Taylor and keep Bernabei.
     
  2. john2061

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    Tierney not happening as what's in it for Arsenal as they would lose their back up left back and would have to spend money on a replacement but there's willing clubs would buy Tierney for 25 million plus and Arsenal get the money for a replacement.
     
  3. Ryanm1984

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    Mental price.

    It really is a market we should be completely avoiding
     
  4. murphy88

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    You need a team willing to buy him first though. Can you see a team paying £25m for a player that has been injured as often as he has for Arsenal?
     
  5. jvalin

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    About time someone mentioned this. People constantly asking for new signings live in fantasy land. We are limited to 17 non-homegrown players in Europe. Projects like Tilio, Yang and Kwon may be unproven at the european level, but they still count as first-team players.

    Personally, I'm dissapointed by our window thus far. I expected us to acquire more established players. That said, I know next to nothing about Korean / Australian football. Hopefully, we striked gold once again like we did with Hatate. Kyogo and Maeda were unknown in Europe, but they were already capped at international level with Japan.
     
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  6. belfastcelt Gold Member Gold Member

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    So as it stands who do you think occupy them 17 spots, and if we were to bring in 3 players that will get one of the spots, who out of your 17 would make way.
     
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    About time someone mentioned this..... What other than you? Think u mention it in every single post you write.

    Just bcoz Tilio, yang and kwon are part of the squad it doesn't mean they need to be included in europe squad.

    Tilio definitely won't be included in it imo
     
  8. belfastcelt Gold Member Gold Member

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    I will humour you

    Harte
    Siegrist
    Johnston
    CCV
    Starfelt
    Kobayaahi
    Bernabei
    Iwata
    Hatate
    Holm
    O'Riley
    Maeda
    Abada
    Jun
    Haksabanovic
    Kyogo
    Oh

    Thats our 17 players IMO. We only really have McGregor and Taylor to consolidate that, along with a lesser extent Welsh and Turnbull. So we could easily still sign 3 or 4 players that could make that 17 and remove the likes of Siegrist, Kobayashi and Holm or Jun without too much of a disruption.

    So I don't see the 17 non Scottish being that much of an issue.

    Ideally we get rid of the Soro, scales, Ajeti, Mccarthy etc thats bloating the squad. And bring in the 3 or 4 signings that will bring us to the next level therefore giving more time to the likes of the Korean boys and Holm and the wee Aussie lad Tilio who's out injured plenty of time to adopt. Lefting abit of the pressure for them.
     
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  9. Westlondonscot Gold Member Gold Member

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    I know you're not asking me but I think it's something we should all think about and I would pick.

    1. Hart
    2.Siegrist
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    3. A Johnston
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    4. CCV
    5. Starfelt
    6. Scales
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    7. Bernabei
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    8. Iwata
    9. O'Riley
    10. Hatate
    11. Holm
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    12. Abada
    13. Maeda
    14. Yang
    15. Hacksa
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    16. Oh
    17. Kyogo

    Additional Home Grown
    1. Bain
    2. Ralston (CG)
    3. Taylor
    4. Welsh (CG)
    5. Calmac (CG)
    6. Forrest (CG)
    7. Turnbull
    8. M Johnston (CG)


    Of those, Scales could make way for another defender (him and or Yuki will be out on loan anyway), if we brought in a new keeper then loan out Siegrist to an SPL team, for a new winger I'd remove either Hacksa or Holm.
     
  10. belfastcelt Gold Member Gold Member

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    No matter what way we structure our 17 bud, we both still see removing Siegrist and the 3rd choice centre back, you went Scales and I went Kobi but matters little both were choosen by default. And then if there's a player brought in to play Middle of the park Holm would make way and if there's a star winger added then Yang would make way.

    Practically identical and potentially the way Brendan sees it
     
  11. Westlondonscot Gold Member Gold Member

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    Yeah and I'm sure 95% of fans would probably pick fairly similar to what we do. I don't know what the new bhoys will be like but I think we are 3 players from being a really good side. CB is more about depth as I think we have none there and 1 injury actually weakens the back four significantly.

    Yeah, with 2 new guys and the 2 that we expect to be announced soon, if any are not in the European squad as long as we have a plan where they could be next season I don't have a problem.
     
  12. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    I'd expect replacements for Siegrist, Bernabei, Kobayashi then maybe one of the midfielders.

    Siegrist will obv need to be replaced by another GK.

    Any football manager players on here should be well versed in this pish.
     
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    I think if we are struggling to get down to 17 we may just go with Hart or the new Gk and Bain. With couple of keepers from the B team on the list.

    There's special dispensation to add a Gk to the squads during group stages due to injuries.
     
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    @belfastcelt @Westlondonscot

    You forgot Kwon (or whomever we sign at CDM). What's the point in signing a CDM if he can't play in Europe? That's where we need him the most. Chances are he won't be a starter, but I expect him to make the cut.

    Yang and Holm cost north of 5m combined. Highly doubt they'll miss the cut. Tilio made the World Cup squad for Australia. All these players will likely be part of our rotation this season. They aren't youth prospects from the academy who'd be happy with an odd appearance here and there.

    If we want to buy more players, it seems rather obvious we have to offload first-team players. I'm not even counting the likes of Soro, Ajeti, etc. It mostly depends on whether Rodgers values Yuki and Bernabei. If he doesn't, we probably have to sell/loan them out. There's barely any space for any more signings. If we sign another winger, I'd expect us to sell Abada. Like Shelby said, if we drop Siegrist, we have to replace him with another keeper.
     
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  15. Westlondonscot Gold Member Gold Member

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    Yeah you can do that, as long as you have 2 keepers on the A list and a 3rd on the B list it's fine.
     
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    I don't think Kwon will make the 17.

    In centre midfielder we will have Hatate, O'Riley, iwata along with McGregor and potentially Turnbull for competition. I do think we will have one other but at the minute I see that as Holm but expect another signed before the window shuts.

    Kwon was playing second tier in Korea. At least Iwata was player of the season in a tougher league for an example.

    I'm not saying Holm is better just think he's maybe more advanced yet still see his place up for grabs
     
  17. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    We will 100% sign more players who will 100% go into the 17.

    Everyone is aware of that rule...you have mentioned it about a million times alone so noone else really has to:giggle1:
     
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    Brendan Rodgers insists he’ll stick to the Celtic model of buying in cheap and selling stars for top dollar as he addressed marquee signings.

    The Hoops boss has a pot of cash to spend following the £25m sale of Jota to Al-Ittihad in Saudi Arabia to add to a bumper club kitty. Rodgers is expected to splash out on players for a crack at the Champions League. But he admitted he won’t stray too far from Celtic’s successful wheeling and dealing in the transfer market – and his target is to turn a £2m signing into a £30m superstar. Rodgers – who is set to seal deals for Korean prospects Yang Hyun-jun and Kweon Hyeok-kyo in the coming days – said: “Yes, there’s money there, but it doesn’t always mean if you spend £9m or £10m you are going to get a top player. There might be someone within your academy or someone at £2m or £3m that can become a £20m or £30m player. My strength is development and I’ve working closely with the people here to improve the squad.”

    Rodgers admitted there may be patience required when it comes to ready-made signings as targets will have several clubs in the hunt and may want to keep their options open with six weeks remaining in the window. Celts have cracked up the wages of top stars such as Callum McGregor, Kyogo and Daizen Maeda.

    Rodgers has been tipped to break the club’s transfer record – the £9m spent on Odsonne Edouard – but he won’t shatter the Parkhead long term game plan. When asked if marquee signings take time, Rodgers said: “Yeah. The club is in great position. But there is a model here.

    “Coming in this second time I’ve very clear of where that is at. It’s what I’m looking forward to. I can bring players in, and you want players who are first team ready. But it’s seeing what the needs of the squad are and then getting the best player possible within that model.”

    Rodgers has already added youngsters Odin Thiago Holm and Marco Tilio and more are on the way. But the Irishman insisted he’s still at the plotting stage when it comes to the next stage of recruitment.

    Celtic last night landed in Japan as they prepared to step up pre-season training with matches against Yokohama F Marinos tomorrow and Gamba Osaka at the weekend. Rodgers said: “It was only fair to assess the squad first.

    "Coming in there were already positions I felt we could improve on. But we’re in a period of assessment right now. What we have done is try to plan for the future with some of the signings that have come in.

    “Ones that could play now but will be really value going forward. It’s too late when the future comes, but that’s one of the things I’ve been really impressed with, this process of planning behind the scenes from (chief exec) Michael Nicholson and (recruitment guru) Mark Lawwell. There’s a really good process in place and the club is in a really good place.”
     
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  20. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Dunno what to take from that:giggle1:

    We spending big money or no?
     
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