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Not Actually that Crucial a Summer as of August 2023...beginning to now think everything isnt fine!

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by Mr Shelby, May 3, 2023.

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  1. PaddyJamieson

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    Tete, Livakovic, and a proper CM ala Reider and we'll be doing well. Add a strong LB and another winger to that and we're laughing.

    I like the look of the Korean winger but do really struggle to see where the DM fits in and gets any kind of game time.
     
  2. Double Dutch

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    The bloded is the crux of the matter here. We have a guy in place who has been involved in identifying and recruiting major young talent at the top level in Mark Lawwell, and that fact seems to be forgotten about?

    It cannot be denied that our main recruitment strategy is, and should be, to find young talented players and bring them here with the view to help them grow as players and sell them on at a profit.

    But somehow that acknowledging that FACT means you are against breaking the mould by going for a higher calibre/cost profile player? It's frankly insulting mate, it smacks as ignorant panic merchant patter like @themouth1888 has been spewing out for the last 3 weeks.

    Again I think we should, and 100% WILL, be trying to bring in higher quality than we're used to, but it doesn't sit well that the recruitment team we've praised so much last couple of years is now all of a sudden not to be trusted.

    Holm and Tilio are clearly players with big potential, just as Jota, Abada, Hatate etc we're, and they soon shut us all up.
     
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  3. Double Dutch

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    It was so blatantly obvious, I can only assume those (normally level headed) posters taking it on a tangent were at the * bam up :giggle1:
     
  4. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Insulting is a bit far come on:giggle1:. I don't think I said that at any point. None of what I've said over the past couple pages has been specifically aimed at yourself. My initial post was in response to Thumb and talking about a narrative I've noticed with some of our fans, not specifically yourself as you acknowledged you obviously want Rieder.

    Wires perhaps crossed in here. The overarching point I wanted to get across is that I want 3-4 more established signings and that everything celtic was being very selective in his examples. That's really it. If it came across as anything else then...aye...frustrations clearly shining through.

    We've made a lot of money recently and what we really need is improvements on the first XI, more than anything.
     
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    It was just the twitter post that got me going to be honest. It ignores the fact we have brought in countless duds on the cheap over the years to go along with the gems we have found. There’s examples on both sides of the argument. I have no issue at all with who we have brought in so far, none whatsoever. I’m also not worried yet that we haven’t brought in any “big” signings. I’m confident we will, I just think it’s taking longer to get these guys in, which is expected.

    There did used to be a band of posters, some who are still on here, that would point to what happened to the huns to try and defend the board for spending peanuts though. It was just weird.
     
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  6. thailandceltic From Immigration to Domination

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    Sign six argies of Bernabei quality or six Asians of Kyogos quality... hmmmm let me think about this one...

    Someone's nationality has absolutely nothing to do with the individuals skills..

    Seriously some of you need your heads checked... some of the * I'm reading is bordering on blatant racism...
     
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  7. thailandceltic From Immigration to Domination

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    Bed him in? Into what? Bernabei is * and I mean utter *.. after Guchi(injury * him) he's the worst signing Ange made.. we will never recoup that 3 million. Absolute waste.. but Hey he's Argentinian.. he must be good :56:
     
  8. Westlondonscot Gold Member Gold Member

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    But people aren't writing them off for that or at all. Also If you look at the list he provided, Juranovic was in the Croatia team with plenty of experience, Maeda had been J League top scorer, Hatate had won 3 trophies in the past 2 years and Dembele was an out of contract teenager who'd been banging them in for Fulham. None of the players signed so far have achieved what many of the signings he listed have. It's not about the money it's about seeing us improve our team straight away rather than bring players up.
     
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  9. Leone Naka Fan

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    Porto, Benfica, etc. have been doing that for far longer than we have, and have easier conditions for South Americans to adapt to, than Scotland. And even they have plenty of failures. Argentina and Brazil have loads of poor kids who go into football. Finding gems is actually hard.
     
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  10. AdamRS Gold Member Gold Member

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    What the * am i reading here
     
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    I know it's early but I feel as though we've been fed sound bites. "Big spend" etc etc. Yet we're here signing the usual 1-2m projects in hope they turn out good. I'd have liked 1 or 2 top qaulity starters and that was before the club flogged our diamond.

    Hopefully things move on but so far I'm not feeling too optimistic.
     
  12. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Yeah Dembele was very highly rated. Pretty sure a move had fallen through to Tottenham for double figures before we gor him.

    He isn't really that comparable. We knew we were getting a multi million pound "wonderkid" for a compensation fee.
     
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    He's not wrong
     
  14. AdamRS Gold Member Gold Member

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    He is

    So is it racist to say Scottish football is *?
     
  15. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Mate you've kinda changed the argument there.

    The point he is getting at is that if you were to target 6 Argentinians who were at the same level as maybe the Asian players we have been looking at, the likelihood is they will be more talented and rounded players on the whole (maybe some still in there like Berna), based upon the league they're coming from.and yes, fhe nation they play for. Its not racism its fact in the context of the football World. I'd say the same about targeting six Scottish players compared to six Dutch players etc etc.

    Ofcourse we'd take 6 Asian players at Kyogos quality :giggle1: compared to 6 Bernabeis. But thats moulding the argument. Players like Kyogo are very rare, he'd gotten to 27 without leaving that league and had Iniesta raving about him ffs. Bernabei is a 22 year old full back we took a punt on. A relatively expensive punt but aye.

    We didn't strike it with Bernabei but south America is * full of talent. As is Japan and South Korea, yes, but on the whole I know we should be plundering Brazil and Argentina etc if we can. Not even just there, Uruguay, Chile etc too.
     
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    Football is complex. The fact someone has ability doesn't automatically mean he'll do well in any league of the world. Japan and South Korea don't have the footballing reputation that Brazil, Argentina or Uruguay do, but Japanese and Korean players work better for us than players from South America.

    The aforementioned SA countries have already been tapped up as markets anyway. We've made inroads in a relatively underscouted part of the world, and I'm happy with the approach.
     
  17. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Again I'm not disagreeing with this but there's a bigger pool of players for us to choose from in the aforementioned SA countries and there is noone going to convince me they don't have a better, consistent track record of producing quality players. We shouldn't be ignoring South America and I know we aren't. There's still players there in our budget...nobody is saying we will have a chance getting the next Neymar.

    Its a completely hypothetical argument anyway. But if you did hand me 6 of the best talents from the Brazilian Seria A or 6 from the J-League (regardless of the nationality, they might even be Brazilian in Japan!!) I'd still take the chance on the former.

    I'm notngoing to get drawn into it but all I'm saying is that @AdamRS wasn't being racist. Christ. Can see completely where he was coming from.
     
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    If we find even one of those 6 talents from Brazil or Argentina before someone else does and he agrees to come to us, I'd be buying a lottery ticket, because it'd mean the stars have seriously aligned.

    I know there was a chance we could've signed Rivaldo. I honestly wonder how he would have fared here. Juninho Paulista didn't have a great time (and he was Rivaldo's backup in Brazil NT IIRC, so not some nobody). The failures of South Americans don't make us an appealing option. Souza was someone who we want(ed) badly, but rejected us. Yan Couto- nope. There was a midfielder we were scouting in Brazil- he had Henrique in his full name I think. Nope.

    Meanwhile, South Korean and Japanese players generally waste no time in coming here when we bid.
     
  19. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Doesn't mean we stop looking though. It's pointless to ignore that area of the world as a market.

    And as I've said I think Uruguay, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador etc should all be tapped as well.

    We need to believe we can compete. We have a lot to offer a player coming from these nations.

    We also don't need to go for the wonderkids either. Fausto Vera is one I'd take in a heartbeat. Now at Corinthians and he's a more established player who is within out reach.
     
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    I don’t think it’s racism, just the unvarnished truth.

    Asian players are improving. No doubt about it… but they’ve a fair bit to go before producing the calibre of South American nations like Argentina.

    And it’s got nothing to do with race anyway. That’s just virtue signalling tosh… it’s the culture of high standards in the sport in that region historically.

    This doesn’t mean we can’t sign Asian players that are better than some S. Americans. And we have.

    I’d love to see us sign more S. Americans though. Always thought it was a market we have largely ignored over the years for some reason.
     
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