Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

I hope the the GB stance doesn’t cause friction between the fans or between the club it would be bad to have gotten a good manager, spend the biggest transfer kitty ever and have a bad atmosphere that causes us to not play well. The huns will be trying, very trying to keep up with us and we can’t let them. The one thing about the season just gone was it felt like everyone was on the same page and half the drive in the team is the fans vibe and the atmosphere was the best.

look at the covid year it was remarkable how not having fans in the stadium effected our team, we shouldn’t give the huns any advantage especially when it’s avoidable.

 

This appointment was never going to be universally welcomed by our support.
This won’t come as a surprise to the board or BR.
He’s going to have to work hard to win over some sections of the support. I suspect a good start to the season with a win at ibrox should be enough to get everyone on board.

 

Fans will come round with a few wins and good performances.

Collectively as a fanbase we need to move on from the ‘how dare you leave us’ mentality though. It’s kinda a self fulfilling prophecy, because any player/manager looking at it is aware that our own loyalty towards them is very much contingent upon performance and their loyalty to the club.

 

Some fans will never be able to understand that for players and managers football is a career and for the vast majority who they support isn't going to determine where they spend their career.

Look at young Aaron Hickey (previously of our accadeny) who turned down the chance to come back to us when Ange bid for him

“I’m a Celtic fan and much as that was appealing I just don’t feel as if football-wise that was the right decision for me at this stage."

Hickey might play for us one day (the Da's will staunchly claim he isn't good enough of course) but he made the right call for his development at that time and good on him.

Far too many fans think that playing for or managing Celtic should be the be all and end all but as long as we play in the league we do that isn't often going to be the case.


(Of course there are rare exceptions in the moderm game like Cal but he is an exceptional player.)

 

Results are what matter along with respect for the paying supporter

 

You not away to the Spurs forums along with the rest?

 

Ange's leaving and in the manner of his departure is similar to Rodgers. Difference was the timing which some will never be happy with, fair enough. Taking the back room staff, which is normal for a manager to do, is also down to the club. If we adopt a modern structure and approach in terms of DoF, we should never have been in that position. Hopefully it doesn't happen again. Many folk seem to over look that BR fell out wi his boss Lawell, who wanted control and power. His position was clear on that, GB even had a banner out to that effect. Back him or lose him!!!

So here we are. Putting all previous issues aside. Realistically in terms of achievements, experiences and knowledge. Rodgers was the outstanding candidate of who was available and wanted to be here. By some distance. The likes of Bosz, Iraola, Seoane all had other offers and snapped up quick also. Maresca clearly had other options and was a gamble for us anyway.

I want the club to be the best it can be. The manager is proof of that. Let's do it properly this time. Back him. Get a proper structure in place off the park. Let's get CL football every season. Watch the money flow in and invested properly.

We're in a good place. Let's continue it all on the same page.

 

And is was completely the correct choice, and easy to see why it was an appealing one.

Even if you put money to one side, plenty of players will be tempted by the prospect of tearing themselves at a higher level, developing, living abroad and learning from that experience etc.

That’s not to say we’re an unattractive proposition - because we’re not - but I can appreciate why fans who are also professional players wouldn’t let the fan part overrule the professional part.

 

Absolutely, lets take emotion out of it and look at facts, when Rodgers first took over the huns were a total mess, so here are the facts of his career at us.
16/17 106 points goals for 106, huns finish on 67 points, good season for us against pish opposition.
17/18 82 points goals for 73, huns finish on 73 points, we draw 10 games and lose 4 games, in a normal season against a strong hun side, that is a 2nd place finish, he took us backwards by 24 points in one season alone.
18/19 he manages for 82% of our league games and we finish on 87 points scoring only 77 goals, huns finish on 78 points.

Now look at Ange, inherits a 25 point deficit.
21/22 finish on 93 points scores 92 goals, huns finish on 89 points in second place, however that would have been enough to win the title in Rodgers last 2 years.
22/23 finish on 99 points score 114 goals, huns finish on 92 points, again enough to beat Rodgers years 2 and 3 to the title.

At Leicester in his first full season he kept them at 5th, year 2, 8th, year 3 relegation. He had a European run and won a cup, anyone can have a good run, look at giofanny, got them to a euro final, but he wasn't a good manager.
So please everyone thinking Rodgers is a world class coach, look at his actual stats when he was here against possibly the worst hun team of recent times.
A 24 point regression in his 2nd season 10 DRAWS AND 4 LOSSES, we would have been screaming for his head if they had won the title that year.
So in summary if he repeats his "success" of years 2 and 3, they match their points tally of the last 2 seasons, we will comfortably finish 2nd.

 

Much of the players where at the start of the meltdown/decline that happened later under Lennon. Now he inherit a fantastic young and hungry squad with no primadonnas at all. Completely different times. The football played under him was great, for the most part. The players was not.

What Ange did was more impressive and also important for the club. But what Rodgers can get out of the players and what he can bring in with the current scouting network will take us up a level i reckon.

 

We've got someone who has a proven track record, we have some level of stability in good time for the build up to the start of the next season.

I hated the way he left, I called him a snake, rat, c*nt etc., but we never really know what goes on behind the scenes.

Anyway, he's here now. He's the Celtic manager and I hope he does well.

The club is what it's about, not individuals.

We go again. Hail Hail.

 

Great football!!!!!! Look at the goals scored against Anges record, played tippy tappy sidewides, backwards football. Horrible to watch in years 2 and 3, hence a 24 point regression in year 2, think about that.

 

Look at my edited post. Rodgers did not have half as good a squad as ange did. Nor the backing. Im not saying he is a better manager.

Also, you could make those comparisons with Ange and Jock Stein, and make Jock look bad ffs

 

Some confusion there, at Leicester he didn't keep them 5th. He took them over when they had finished 9th the season before, but were 12th in the table and they finished 9th. He then took them to 5th for the next 2 seasons, then 8th in 3rd full year with a cup.

I agree that the points regression was there. I do think the signings that season were not great except for Eddy, but he was inexperienced. Roberts re-signed but got injured, Benyu, Hayes who was a serviceable player but he wasn't going to take us forward. We were basically the same team and teams twigged how to play us, it's why you need to buy and sell every season.

 

You're literally leaving out a entire season where Leicester finished 5th and won a FA Cup..

He had two 5th place finishes during his time there.

 

What a load of absolute waffle

 

Alright, I dont mind admitting that my Leicester knowledge is not as good as my Celtic knowledge, but what is indisputable is that he regressed Leicester to the extent that he got them relegated and he regressed us by 24 points in one year.
Both times, it was always someone elses fault, the board, the players not playing for him.

 

He never relegated Leicester. Dean Smith did.

Leicester regressed at the onset of Covid, after their owners - who focus the bulk of their business on tourism - lost a significant amount of money, which was reflected in Leicester spending.