Who could we replace Ange with?

This is true, we had a decent press in the first season it seems to have fell away the 2nd season.

 

Still get flashbacks of the last 10 mins of the first half away to betis.. 0-2 up lads, let's just keep it tight and get in to half time. Nah WE DONT STOP chasing shadows in 30 degree sun.. concede 4 goals between 32-53mins

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Followed Rayo quite a bit because of their fan base and watched a couple dozen of their matches over the last couple years. They have a knack for playing better opposition tough and getting surprising results. Very attack oriented but also smart on the counter. Wouldn't dislike that appointment to be honest.

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Ange was a brilliant man manager with an excellent knowledge of a market that happened to be ripe for the picking for exactly the standard of our club.

I do think he’s very capable tactically and I’ve never see a Celtic seem so relentlessly good week on week but I do think we saw on a few occasions his tactical shortcomings in Europe. Would be great to have someone who has that attacking ethos but knows the tricks of the trade to get those European results. Knutsen for example.

 

I think the whole Ange being a good man manager thing is a myth. Nearly every player who has ever worked with him and spoken about the experience has comfirmed he rarely if ever speaks to them and Ange has said this himself. He is much more of an old school manager in that he leads by respect, authority and aura but players are just pieces on a chess board to him. That approach worked 20 years ago, but the game has changed and I don't think it is necessarily going to get the best out of players long term so I want to see a manager that is a good man manager and understands the players.

 

If that were the case then he would lose the dressing room. There is no suggestion that he has ever lost the dressing room anywhere he has coached. On the contrary, for example when he left Yokohama mid-season to come here, here was given public respect and gratitude.

He keeps a distance and may not speak for long individually, but collectively very few managers are able to give speeches that get players run though brick walls for him

If you get 2 great years from a modern coach, take it as a success. Three years is exceptional, Pep territory.

Bit * how he left but came as absolutely no surprise. This is how he rolls.

 

I think a modern coach with results and experience in Europe should be the priority in any coach being looked at. He fits the bill. Time for Celtic to regain its rightful place amongst Europe's elite.

 

Why would he loose the dressing room? Martin O’Neill had a similar approach and did he ever lose the dressing room? No his teams would run through walls for him like Ange's.

They lead with charisma and aura and are like respected authority figures.

and it is the case, we know because plenty of people, Ange included have described his approach in detail.

 

Any player or coach at Celtic have said they have known they wanted to work for Ange within the first three sentences of chatting to him.

Turned Taylor into prime Maldini.

He's an excellent man manager.

 

Everyone keeps saying' * how he left'.

Big picture...was going for a treble, imagine telling everyone he was leaving before that was secured!

Answer...no treble.

He and the players ,with the support united won those trophies.

 

If it was a done deal with Rodgers, why hasn't he at least openly stated he wants the job? We're getting messages: ruled himself out...bookies' favorite...unsure if he wants it...cert to get the job.

It's like that childhood stuff loves me...loves me not.

Objectively better than Maresca and preferable to Muscat, but that's it. Tactically has has issues breaking down parked buses and couldn't set up a defense in Europe. Scouting was incredibly bad. We need better.

 

Yeah that makes him an excellent charismatic leader which I never said wasn't the case. Which is great for team management. That is not the same thing as man management.

As for GT as Ange doesn't lead training sessions and the players say he can be a distant presence at training sessions letting his coaching staff work one on one with players (again like MON) more than just Ange responsible for his turn around.

If he was a better man manager I'm almost certain GG and Tam would still be at the club.

 

Come on man, Jota posted a heartfelt message to him on IG yesterday. That doesn't happen if you don't have a decent relationship with the players or if you're not a good man manager.

 

Ange pulled him from the dump bin at Benfica and gave him a huge stage to showcase himself of course he is thankful to him. Again MON was very simmilar in approach to Ange and was a distant fatherly authority figure the players loved but he wasn't any better at man management than Ange.

 

There was no leaks from that dressing room. No rumours of cliques or splits or troublemakers. That's what made him a good man manager. Don't know what your going on about Tam for? He had been wanting to leave for about 3 years and stayed because Ange came in

 

Former Socceroo Ryan McGowan

"He's the best coach I have worked with but possibly the worst man-manager I have ever had. He is so distant, so scary, and you are petrified of him. I still am. He would say certain things and have certain rules that were just non-negotiable of what to do and as an average player I quite liked that."

Ange

"It's an important part of what I do. I'm not a massive communicator in that I'm not constantly talking to players every day.I really give a lot of those responsibilities to the other coaches, the other staff and even the players themselves to dictate the day-to-day stuff so they are not constantly hearing my voice. When I do talk, I try to make an impact in those moments. I put a lot of thought to what I'm going to say, and why I'm saying it."

 

Agree to disagree I suppose.

 

Makes me sick thinking about that.

 

The problem with your analysis of man management, is that you seem to think a coach needs to be micro managing players with constant interactions on the training ground everyday in order to be deemed a good man manager.

This simply isn’t true for every manager. Everyone is different. It’s far more about the quality of your contributions rather than the quantity. Especially if you have some excellent coaches around you.

MON always had guys like Robertson and walford, who had an excellent relationship with the players day-to-day… and while MON’s interactions were sparse by comparison, players always talked about the quality of his contributions.

Compare that with someone like Roy hodgson, for example. He is known for being a constant presence on the training pitch. Heavy day-to-day interactions - so a very modern approach according to some people’s perspective. Yet I’ve heard so many stories about players being bored to tears with his daily lectures and repetitive methods. Obviously his teams are well drilled, as you’d expect, but also a bit dull and boring.

There is no one size fits all approach.

 

It’s probably a fair comment to say he wasn’t a great man manager. People can have different definitions of what that actually means.

The point I was getting at was he was a great figure head. A great man to oversee an operation and a guy you would run through brick walls for. Ralston and Taylor came on leaps and bounds under him. Whether you want to call that man management or something else, or attribute that to the coaching staff (all of which were there before Ange came) that’s down to you. Ange wasn’t on the training ground telling Taylor how to take a better first touch and impose himself on a game. He inspired him to believe in himself. That’s the mark of an excellent man manager for me.

I’m not totally convinced of his tactical nous but I’m not trying to be overly harsh on him or backtrack because he’s left. I think overall he’s a brilliant manager and very unique in his style in this day and age.