Honest Mistakes Thread 2016/17 onwards.

Ah the one just over the bar late on. That looked more of a case than any of the others, agreed..

Don't think he or anyone around him appealed though?

 

Nah and haksa didn't seem to, I do think his shot was away just as the contact was made tbh.

Of that was huns though, defo pk.

 

Nah was defo Haksa, Taylor was on the other side by then I think he may have crossed it.

 

They'd be rolling about peaking through their fingers to see if the ref was getting a word in his ear..

That's the difference. Maybe we should be a bit cuter with it..

 

Seeing that some people are struggling with the concept that being in an offside position and committing and offside offence are two different things as clearly outlined in the rules. Abada is obviously in an offside position however that does not in any way mean that an offside offence has been committed.

In my opinion he is onside as he anticipates the livi players mistake. He makes no attempt to play the ball or challenge the player.

The rule in question;

2. Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
Interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or interfering with an opponent by:

- Preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision

- Challenging an opponent for the ball

- ***Clearly*** attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent

- Making an ***obvious*** action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

- Gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
been deliberately saved by any opponent

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.

 

I’d need to watch it again. For me it’s very borderline.

Abada seems to run towards the player to challenge for the ball and I think that’s what probably makes him offside. If he doesn’t do that and just anticipates an error I’d say he’s firmly onside.

I really like when players stay offside until the very last moment and take full advantage of the rule. That’s a great way to play football in my opinion. Abada just lacked a bit of guile for me. If he hangs back I think the Livi player would’ve still * it up and it would’ve been a legit goal.

 

This picture shows the closest Abada got to the livi player and to me shows he doesn't meet the criteria outlined in the rule. The question in reference to the rule being; what does Abada do which is an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball, jog towards the livi player, cast a shadow in his direction?

Players make mistakes, if Abada wasn't there it would be clear as day the guy fluffed a simple header. It is an absolute bread and butter header even with abadas presence. Ask yourself, in this scenario if the player was onside and the opposition defender said to coach 'I screwed up the header because action the other player took', what would the any manager say?

 

I don’t think you understand, the refs were being consistent. That’s a penalty against us every time, and no penalty for us, just like this time

I will say, that wasn’t a penalty though, just like Bernie’s wasn’t, nor O’Riley’s.

It’s going to be interesting next time a ball hits one of our players arms, because since we’ve had all those pens against us, there seems to have been an interpretation change. Or maybe we just haven’t had a ball hit one of our players arm/hand.

 

Gave us nothing and tried to take everything

 

The Abada offside was the correct call, sadly.

 

so I guess this is the rule they've used and interpreted Abada to be breaching. I'd say it's a stretch to say he's actively challenging the ball or clearly attempting to. The livi player might have played the ball cause Abada was there but it doesn't mean Abada challenged him. If anything Abada was just running back onside which he's entitled to do.

 

When you read that and watch the videos, Abada is clearly onside. Anyone who is saying offside hasn’t looked into the rules.

I’m back flipping to say he’s onside, I don’t agree with it, but them’s the rules.

 

If you read the tweet in the post above yours and watch the videos, you’ll find you are incorrect.

 

No, I'm not.

2. Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
(...)

gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has: rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar, match official or an opponent

 

That wasn’t a deflection. The defender clearly played the ball.

 

To add to it:


Deliberate play’ is when a player has control of the ball with the possibility of:

• passing the ball to a team-mate; or
• gaining possession of the ball; or
• clearing the ball (e.g. by kicking or heading it).

 

What part of that proves your point that he was offside according to the rules?

The ball did not deflect off the Livi defender, that implies he knew nothing of it which isn’t isnt true. He made a genuine attempt of play the ball and * it up. If that was the rule and was deemed “deflected” then we are basically giving the defender a respite/second chance/benefit of the doubt, for being * at his job.

 

It doesn't meet the criteria of deliberate play as set out in the rules.

 

It meets all the criteria. Show me which part it doesn’t meet.