Ange Postecoglou

Can you stay on the same account OziBeerMan?

Point is and I am surprised you are finding it so hard to * understand. We can play a style but if it’s not working out in that game we need to adapt because ultimately we need the win first I’d rather win ugly than lose or draw but we played pretty football.

 

As per @AussieGreek he’s had sides do all of these things to counter before and is smart enough to adapt. He played three at the back and wing backs with the Aussie national side so can adapt his system

 

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Not the same account as the other Ozi but think what you like.

The fact you think I don’t understand instead of simply don't agree is just a measure of the arrogance I’m talking about. If you’re of the opinion that 4 weeks and 3 games with a shambles of a squad is enough time to take that action then have at it. Anyone with an ounce of any football nous whatsoever which thankfully your current manager has, knows to be more patient than that.

 

We all get that time is needed to implement his style and ideas.
The same as time is needed to get his own players in (won't happen over on transfer window).

But he doesn't get off with poor game management and poor results til he announces he has what he wants.


Or are some folk legit okay and accepting that we could go till this time next year before we run 3 wins in a row again?


Like not having players he wants, he needs to adapt his own style to first and foremost get results. Then slowly adapt it all to become his own style and system.


Some folk are massively underestimating the expectations and size of this club if they reckon we are gonna accept regular defeats bust because Ange hasn't got things sorted yet.

That's not how football works in a pressure environment where you need to win the vast majority of your games.

Perhaps that's okay in leagues like the MLS, j-league, A-league, wherever, that has a level that allows multiple winners over the course of a decade, but here, in most European countries, the big 2 or 3 teams in each league demand results first and foremost.

This is no special thing at Celtic.
Zagreb in Croatia expect the same.
Barcelona and Madrid(s) expect it as well.
Juve, psg, man city, Ajax, psv, Chelsea, Liverpool, benfica, Porto, Bayern, they are all clubs expected to win their leagues and with that expectations are to win the vast majority of games.

If a Bayern manager was to not win a game in the first 5 competitive games, you can bet to * there would be demands to see him removed as well.
This isn't an unusual thing at these sort of clubs.


We can, as fans, be both demanding of results and accepting that to implement a managers preferred style will take time.

It means we expect him to adapt his style in the mean time to ensure the results.


If, for example, the inverted full backs cutting in to the midfield is not working and is the cause to conceding goals, we expect him to fix that. Either sign players better suited to that style, or if unable to for the time being, stop playing inverted full backs.

That's not rocket science.

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Don’t disagree at all and if in September things haven’t changed I expect there to be an uproar but surely you agree 4 weeks with the environment and squad he’s inherited is too early to make that call?

 

You don’t understand, you just liked Peejs post for saying exact same thing I did, results matter over systems and styles and he needs to adapt and balance that out.

 

Regardless of what he inherited, the team that played on Saturday should have beat they jambo *.

 

I know you used it as an example, but inverted full-backs hasn't been the issue of us losing games, it is terrible finishing and individual defensive errors (Murray, Soro, Barkas etc) that has led to conceded goals.

 

His wasn’t exactly the same as yours and also, importantly, he isn’t a condescending *.

 

Agree here. In two of the three we’ve missed sitters that would have put the game to bed

 

Actually it’s not, particularly when we get overseas coaches who park the bus, and lose.

Mate, I only have one account, wouldn’t waste my energy here on 2.
And I, as in me, Beerman, agree. Unfortunately it’s one of Anges weaknesses. ( oh but remember, I praise at the altar of Ange and lick his nuts ).
He does adjust in game however sometimes it’s too late. He backs his philosophy and believes it will always come good. This early in the piece with pish squad he’s got, I think you’ll see some in game adjustment from this point forward. Remember, he’s been here 4 weeks.

 

Mate, you’re not missing much.

 

Strong words, condescending toward the high footballing IQ nation, the ultimate authority on all things Ange, hire this * as our next manager.

 

That's my point, I like nice football but Celtic needs to be winning almost every game and drawing as little as possible, we need multiple game plans to do that, even Rodgers got found out in the 2nd season and was stubborn in his ways, we still won but slowly you saw results getting worse and worse. Implementing a new system and bringing in new players takes time, but in the meantime he must get results however ugly it might be.

 

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Appreciate you just highlighting my point.

 

No problem...

 

When they do come inside though McGregor and Turnbull pull wide tho so we still have width. The main problem is I don't think we have the players to execute his plan for this yet.

Also you said it yourself, teams are camped in so there rarely is an opportunity for our strikers to turn defenders and get in behind. There is no in behind when we play domestically.

We need better delivery from wide and a striker or strikers that will attack those deliveries. Also getting our * together at both ends on set pieces would be a massive help. The amount of points the huns picked up from corners etc last season.......it can be the difference maker in a tight season.

 

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Also you said it yourself, teams are camped in so there rarely is an opportunity for our strikers to turn defenders and get in behind. There is no in behind when we play domestically.
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Under Deila and Rodgers we did well with midfielders running in behind, mainly at Parkhead I suppose. But other times we did well just getting midfielders in the box for low crosses etc.

When Soro, Cal Mac and Turnball are playing, none of them are gonna run behind the defence, or get in the box to meet a low cross or second ball.

I think that's were Christie can be decent, but he's not been played in CAM for ages. Armstrong, Ledley, Johansen, Rogic were all good at it.

 

If we don’t have proper defenders to play out from the back, don’t play Bitton there to do it, instead of a guy who’s been our strongest defender.

3 competitive games and 2 of them Bitton’s let him down. Let’s see if he learns that lesson.

Because he didn’t learn it first time.

 

I'm only assuming that Ange's logic was to put someone "experienced" next to Starfelt who was only in the door for 5 minutes before playing. But that is only an assumption.

Welsh must start ahead of Bitton. Bitton should * off, but it probably won't happen until the Winter or next Summer's transfer window.