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John Kennedy

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by LectersLuncheon, May 15, 2016.

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  1. Ciaran_67

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    It’s mad how some folk manage to negatively spin anything related to Kennedy.

    Could it not be possible that he is actually a good coach who has had multiple endorsements from some of our top personnel?

    Bizzare how folk make these baseless statements with the justification that he only gets praise cause he’s a ‘nice guy’.
     
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  2. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    Yes it is, for both parties. The entire crux of the problem, actually.
     
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  3. wulliebad

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    The guy took over from a failed manager and changed * all......all the signs of a great coach.
     
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  4. FrankMcCallum

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    He would definitely be the current Celtic manager right now if we had beat Rangers once during his short lived interim spell.

    The * were absolutely itching to give him the job, and will give him it in future if at all possible.

    He may very well be a world class coach, but what world class coach sticks around at one club during four different manager tenures? Bizarre behaviour from all parties involved.

    The fact is, he’s been guaranteed the job, but last season was so much of a disaster that even this Celtic board couldn’t announce him yet, which speaks volumes. Even they didn’t have that much of a brass neck to appoint him.
     
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  5. Liam Scales

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    Being loyal to Celtic’s a problem a wish more * had then. Maybe we wouldn’t have seen that half hearted pish last season.
     
  6. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    If we’d got shot of the guy in charge who had lost all semblance of leadership and responsibility we may have done better than the half hearted pish last season.

    Remaining loyal to guys who aren’t cutting it on the other hand…
     
  7. JamesM09

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    Most likely because it was his abysmal tactics in the first place.

    But we’ve just to keep ignoring and excusing that because the idea of a football coach that was part of a failed management team being moved on is now being made out to be a drastic step for some reason, rather than the common practice that it is.
     
  8. honda Gold Member Gold Member

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    Also won 4 trebles... fact is our manager always goes into clubs and doesn't bring in staff unless needed. His ideas are coming across, we are playing good. The bitter and hatred of loosing the league in the most unprecedented year in the history of football will linger for a while and many cant see by that anger and want every single person and player involved gone. I'm guilty wanting rid of players and staff aswel. Let's just see how this manager does. 1 game in and he's better than lennon was :56:
     
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  9. Celtic_Daft1888

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    It doesn't matter how good a coach he is. What matters is whether or not Ange would have picked him to be part of his coaching set up had he been in full control. I think we all know that's not the case and he has basically been told that these guys will be sticking around. Yes, loads of people have been singing his praises as they left but it doesn't change the fact that AP should have been able to pick his own backroom team and there's not a chance in * he would have kept Kennedy/Strachan on in the roles they currently occupy.
     
  10. Maestro 08

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    Stevie woods needs punted as well then. * keeper after * keeper with zero improvement in anyone we bring in, there's a case to say they actually go backwards and no youth keeper to speak of in all his time here. Forster is the only guy that's actually performed in recent memory. Yet every keeper we have speaks highly of him, much like they do Kennedy. There's no witch hunt for Woods tho.
     
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  11. Liam Scales

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    Desmond?

    I think Kennedy’s record as a coach here more than show’s he’s cut it to be fair.
     
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    No he wasn’t, when we first got him he was very, very raw. Woods made him what he is.
     
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    According to ange, who has not lied yet, he did have that choice. So apart from you thinking you know ange must be lying evidence points to he wanted to keep them.
     
  14. Mr. Slippyfist

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    Was he aye? :56::56::56:

    Forster was a YOUTH goalkeeper at Newcastle who had a couple of loan spells under his belt.

    Whilst I agree with you about the shocking lack of talent being brought through in that position from the youth academy, the majority of your post is an unmitigated disaster.
     
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  15. Maestro 08

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    Ok Woods made Forster. Point stands. Kennedy slated for his loyalty, slated when players praise him for bringing them on etc yet Stevie Woods gets a free ride cos of Fraser Forster when In general our keepers have performed averagely to say the least. Now I couldn't care less if he is left alone but there's total hypocrisy in their treatment and folk just have a bee in their bonnet about Kennedy when they actually know * all about his role and his contribution. The guy could be holding the * show behind the scenes together for all we know.
     
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  16. Maestro 08

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    Cheers pal
     
  17. Liam Scales

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    The point is, you need to make up a bunch of stories to explain away any success the guys had - to players who are no longer at the club, being instructed by a former CEO of the club to praise him on Insta to dupe the fans, to Ange bending over backwards and taking it up the rumper to accomadate him and lying to the fans, to Brendan Rodgers must have marginlised him and he had nothing to do with him, to it’s a lie that Rodgers wanted him at Leicester, to well the 5 trophies we won after Rodgers was just really like the ghost of BR and had nothing to do with anyone else because that’s how professional he was!

    These are all convos I’ve had recently. It’s mental gymnastics.

    Just say you don’t like the * and move on if that’s what it is.
     
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    Also done an incredible job with Boruc and Craig Gordon’s recovery. Get what you’re saying though mate, and I agree with it.
     
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    Starting to get bored of discussing this guy now.

    So gonna lay out where I'm at with him/situation and hope that I never need to entertain Kennedy as a manager again.

    Under Rodgers he seemed to do a job, previous to Rodgers he was under pressure and questioned for what he brought to the role, specifically considering he was a defender and in parts we have been given misleading information over the years about how much responsibility he had as a (potential) defensive coach.

    Either way, during both these tenures, he was not a direct number 2, his responsibility was as a team of coaches that allowed him to do whatever it is that guys like Rodgers, duff, ajer, seem to appreciate.

    Some of us will analyse this as being him comfortable hiding in the background and the harsh assumption is he is doing an easy job "putting out the cones" being a sly dig.
    But let's be honest, there is always more to these jobs than me and you would think.

    If this guy is able to get on board and act like a proper coach, doing the bidding if his manager and performs well, at times even taking a role as bridging between manager and players, then so be it.

    Judging by the other night, the initial first team coaching setup is bigger, without adding new staff to the club.

    McManus stepped up to replace Kennedy as first team coach last season, it looks like he has kept that role on, making the pool larger.
    Others perhaps have also done similar.

    I fairly imagine the way Ange goes about his job is a helluva lot better than Lennon, so Kennedy won't (surely) be left to be a defacto manager for long parts again.


    So * it, I'm not a massive fan of him, I personally think when a tight/small management team such as Lennon, Kennedy, Strachan * up so badly, that all should have been out the door before the new manager came in. But here we are.
    The situation that Kennedy finds himself in seems to be different now, maybe back to the way it was under Rodgers (for the immediate first team coaches).
    So yeah, call it what we want "clean slate" "Job for the boys" whatever, he's here and not going anywhere.

    I'm not "on board" but I'll accept it.

    Here's hoping we/I never need to entertain him being a manager again and never need to talk about him * things up though.


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  20. Mr. Slippyfist

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    Craig Gordon (for a spell of 2-3 years) was an outstanding GK for Celtic.