Ange Postecoglou

And on that note I'd like to see a few more...

 

I never mentioned Scotland and tbh I don't particularly care for international football. Australia now qualify through Asia so it is expected they qualify for the world cup now and I think they have qualified for every world cup since the switch happened. Getting to the tournament is not as big an achievement as is being painted by some on here if Australia did something noteworthy at the tournament then fair enough but they didn't

 

Sigh. The sight of those two in the dugout. Again. *

 

Still happy to trust Ange’s judgement and take him at face value that this was his call until results in meaningful games dictate otherwise.

And with that I’m out of this shitshow of a thread.

 

Scotland recently drew with a team that made the Euro final and may well win it.

FIFA ratings mean * all.

Edit - clearly I'm responding to James' post.

 

1 month to the day since Ange was announced.

He had two very easy wins to get the more sceptical element of the fan base on side from the word go.(I’ll include myself in that)

1) bin Griffiths. Make a statement, set the standards for his reign.

2) bin the ugly sisters.

He’s done neither.

We’re ten days from the CL qualifier and we haven’t brought in anyone that will go straight into the starting team for that fixture, IMO. I think it’s unlikely that anyone signed between now and then will feature.

 

Why do we think this?
Because quite literally every other manager before Ange has been handed Kennedy as a coach in some fashion.







For those saying it doesn't matter who the coaches are then why the * are we keeping these two here? In any other club, where a small team of manager and assistants fail so massively as they three did last season, they would all be shown the door.
The icing on top of that disaster was these two idiots went on to take an even bigger control and failed even more so than having Lennon at hand.

They are failures.


If it doesn't matter who the coaches are and they only do what the manager tells them, then let me do the job?
Bit extreme, but then why not let Ange bring his own men in as well?

If Ange has honestly came across the world and insisted on NOT bringing his own staff, that's a worry in itself. Let alone the more likely issue is that he was told his staff was already picked for him...as has been the case for managers at the club before Ange.


Ange is not the * Messiah, he's accepted this job with little to no power to weild.
The Aussie boys can suck him off as much as they want (and for the record he comes across well and his football methods do excite us all), but he's got absolutely no sway or power at this club.
We refused to give it to Rodgers, you can bet to * they haven't suddenly given Ange the keys to the castle.

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There is a lot of frustration on the board @Gurru 991 from long time supporters who are seeing things unfold in a way they feared:

1. Manager appointed very late in the day
2. No DoF in place to support manager
3. CEO pretty quiet and yet to make any mark
4. Manager not initial target (or targets)
5. Manager relative unknown
6. Coaching staff retained that are associated with one of the worst slumps in performance in our history
7. Lack of any investment or signs of investment in the squad
8. Time severely running out to be prepared for the start of the season (10 days time) with little hope of progressing
9. Board is looking after commercial as opposed to football interests.

Hopefully you can see why that's not an acceptable position give our last manager was sacked close to 5 months ago? It's pretty much what everyone of the long term Celtic fans on this forum have been saying must not happen over all that time.

I think add into that mix a bunch of super-excited Ozzie's who love Ange and are really excited at seeing what he can do, and already believe and trust in him as they have followed and know his career. You are all dying to see him succeed and making definitive statements and asking a disillusioned fanbase to trust him because you do.

That's pretty unrealistic for someone most on hear wouldn't have heard of 6 weeks ago.

7 of the 9 things I listed no reasonable person could say are anything to do with Ange. The other 2 (coaching staff and signings) it is reasonable to debate and draw conclusions on what has happened so far. He's not put a stamp on either which is adding to already existing frustration.

That might turn around given time, but unfortunately for Ange, he doesn't really have much of that.

I like the look of him, I think it's great we have so many excited AngeFans here and hope he does really well and provides the exciting pressing football he's known for.

I do also think actions speak louder than words, so if his actions line up with what other people feared would happen that's unlikely to build trust or allow recent joiners to persuade long timers everything is OK. I hope that is understandable?

The same people complaining about him retaining coaching staff and lack of signings have been enthusiastic about his coaching sessions and how he speaks. So there is some commonality here. Just his more recent choices are exactly what was feared (for a long long time)

If these are Ange's choices, then he also needs to be able to stand by them and take the flack. Trust and respect are earned not given.

Longer term he does need to influence and work on coaching and signings in a way that does demonstrate he is making the decisions and demonstrate that the board is backing him.

If these are his choices and what a lot of Ozzie's are saying is true he'll have some chance of making it good.

I really hope he does, as does every single other person on this forum. No one wants him to fail.

 

On condition that you have absolutely no qualifications for the job, I'd say: Why not?

 

Got about as much qualifications as those two to be fair.

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On that comparison you sound slightly overqualified...

Could I interest you in a job at Man City?

 

How the * did you come to that opinion from that piece?
Most level headed on here have said he was always going to say it’s a clean slate for everyone until you * it up or don’t buy in to his philosophy. If they are following his instructions why would he get rid of them?

 

It really doesn't look like he's calling the shots.

The griffiths/Ralston contract renewals.
Tweedledumb and tweedledumber being kept on.
No appointments or players brought in that could be called his, yet.
Bayo being sold without the new manager even getting a look at him in training. Thats maybe not necessarily a bad thing but still a bit odd, for a guy that is ,supposedly, giving a clean slate to all and wants to "see what's in the building first".

Of course, there may be circumstances attached to all of this that we don't know about but ,currently, from the outside looking in it doesn't look good.

 

here is the thing about hiring somebody thats only ever worked in asia the coaching set up is probably better than anything hes ever experienced before .same as the players we all know should be out the door getting a clean slate ,its nothing to do with them proving themselves its about ange realizing (or not) he is working at a much higher level.

 

If an integral part of the team like one of the coaches "* it up" then it will also be the end of Ange.

If we fail to start well next season and win our title back then there will be no 2nd chance for him.

The goodwill for him was pretty low from the outset, he banked himself a little extra with his decent interviews to start but then has lost that with 3 hugely unpopular decisions: New deal for Ralston, new deal for Griff and retaining Kennedy & Strachan. In doing so he has piled pressure on himself from the outset, if things don't go well from the start there will be fans baying for his blood.

This isn't like any other club he's ever managed before. It's not like Brisbane Roar were he got given 1 year to rebuild before they won the League. It's not like Yokohama Marinos were he finished 12th in the League, the year before they went on to win it.

He needs to win and win immediately, there's no honeymoon period like his previous jobs. If he fails to do that then he'll lose the faith of the support.

 

And I reckon Ange knows that but had enough faith in himself to take the job anyway.

FFS give him a couple of months at least... few Celtic managers have walked into a bigger * fest so a little bit of sanity please.

Mind you, if he loses to Charlton. ANGE OUT!!!

 

Loosen ya knickers.
* it up, I’m talking about players eg Griffiths.
It amazes me how all you Nostradamus’s know exactly what decisions Ange has and hasn’t made.
You guys are so highly strung.
As for its like no other club he’s ever managed. Ffs it’s not like he’s not had stressful jobs before with massive scrutiny. It’s just so condescending to insinuate that *.
Again, you’ll all just have to wait and see. It’s so repetitive the comments in here.

 

Would love to see the back of the chuckle brothers but the manager seems happy to have them stay on so lets see how things go from here.

We can only judge him on results so i guess its a matter of sit and wait and see if he gets it write.Maybe im getting it wrong but it seems the Aussie bhoys can see no wrong in this guy,lads just because hes one of your own it dont mean ye know everything about him or that he can do no wrong.

 

Nothing I've said is insanity.

Nobody is calling for his head, so you can drop the pretend dramatics that people are.

People are voicing their reservations after seeing this film before with previous managers.

Everyone wants Ange to be a success but as stated above the supporters wanted a complete revolution of the playing side and it's looking less and less like that by the day. No new coaches, retaining players we know aren't good enough/bring shame to the club, no 1st team players despite signing a month ago...

 

Ah the * show continues…… dumb and dumber kept on!

And you wonder why Howe said no thanks now.

I wonder if he also insisted on a DOF and the board said no to that as well.

DD and his minions are * this club over, all the care about is their kick backs in wages and bonuses.

10 days away from our first champions league qualifying games and we have no new first team signings who could come into the side.

You will get the same green tinted mob saying plenty of time etc…..

* embarrassing.