Ange Postecoglou

Actions always speak louder than words.

So far the actions tell us nothing has changed.

Literally.


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I'm just speculating. I'd far prefer the * to be gone - just trying to reconcile the Ange I know with what appears to be happening...

 

But some are telling us he isn't a yes man and that he wasn't grumpy in an interview, I'm confused now...

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He's definitely not a yes man - I believe that deep in my marrow.

But clearly there would have been conditions to him accepting the job and who knows what they agreed. There's been inconsistent messages coming from Dom and Ange has always said he'll be making all staff and team decisions - but some have obviously been made just before he got there and (I think) he's going through a phase of deciding for himself.

My memory might be playing tricks here but no announcement was made by Ange or the club regarding the tenure of teh Chuckle Bros - Ange just made some comment regarding the fact they were still a part of his plans and then someone (not sure if they were connected with the club) characterised that as an announcement.

I prefer to watch the team and how they seem to be adjusting to Angeball - while simultaneously panicking about the lack of inclusions. I was super impressed with a few against Wednesday, especially Shaw, Moffat and Hjelde but now worried that the board saw that performance and thought: Ach! The youngsters are ready! No need tae spend money.

 

I wonder if he fully understood what a grade A shitshow he was signing on for. He has been given a ratted out Ford Escort & been told he has to fix it using two useless mechanics & a limited budget. I personally feel that he can do the job as long as the board don't get in his way.
It's sad that people out there want him to fail !!!

 

You may well be right about conditions for him accepting the job. However, if one of the conditions was that Kennedy and Strachan have to remain, which I think it has been and is one of the reasons Howe didn’t take the job, then this shows Ange as being a yes man in my opinion. Why would any manager worth their salt not want to bring their own team with them to have them around them. As I have said, I just think Ange is happy to be managing a club our size and will accept what the board throw his way.

 

Instructed by him is the key part here. Why do people care so much who the coaches are. It doesn't matter. They're there to do what they're told by the manager and as long as they're doing that it doesn't matter who they are.
Kennedy showed at the end of last season he'll never be a manager as he had absolutely no ideas of his own. Maybe that's why he's a good coach - he's just good at doing what he's told.
I'll still judge them all on results when the football starts for real.

 

I don't think Ange would have accepted a condition that they must remain, but may have accepted a condition that he give them a chance. If he did (and he must have) then he will certainly try to be fair to them and no doubt they're going out of their way to deliver his message to the troops.

He never said he wouldn't bring in some of his own people and he has said (more than once) that he'll take a look at what's already here before deciding what he needs to add or change.

The crisis is yet to come. A decent result in the Euro qualifiers might mean that Ange's way is working - or could be papering over some cracks - but a bad result will bring on the crisis before the league and that's when hard calls will have to be made.

 

Why do you (and others) think that. I can't get my head round why the board would give a * who the coaches are. It wouldn't cost much to pay them off. Ange must want them otherwise they'd be gone.

 

The constant obsession over Kennedy and Strachan is pretty boring. We'll see what happens, it's probably smart keeping two people, at least initially, that know inside information. It's absolute speculation, with no answer we'll ever get, on whether he has to keep them.

I'm more interested in watching how effectively/quickly Ange can implement his style, and looking for a DOF being added above him to make his job easier.

 

He clearly would have had them forced on him and it is actually understandable too. This is a mega chance for a guy who (rightly or wrongly) has very little clout here. I still think he is going to be a success and maybe then on the back of it if he wanted change he could make it happen. The board even controlled things when someone as high profile as Rodgers was here so its not surprising they will be forcing things on Ange.

 

I seriously doubt money is the issue. It'll be a jobs for the bhoys situation. JK (and GS via his old man) will be seen by the board as people who bleed green and white. Ange will have his work cut out trying to get rid of them but if they really are passing on his message and not undermining him, he'd probably be able to live with them.

 

I’ll be honest, I’m a bit surprised that he’s announced Kennedy and Strachan as staying. But in saying that I’m assuming they’ve really bought into his philosophy.
I fully understand the sentiment towards these 2 from all you life long fans, I get it.
I get the way it appears in your eyes as status quo and the board getting their way again. But don’t view it as Ange being a yes man. You’ll just have to take my word on this. He would’ve had these 2 under the microscope to see if they are suitable for his needs.
I truly truly believe you’re going to see the benefit of Ange’s philosophy.
But enough talk, let’s see what eventuates over the next few months.

 

They weren't in charge last year (only briefly at the end) and they're not in charge now. They're coaches, they do what they're told by the manager. JK did it under Rodgers and was successful and then under Lennon it didn't work as Lennon wasn't good enough. If he buys into what Ange wants and gets his message across to the players then that's all that's required of a coach.
I'd rather JK went (not so sure about Strachan) but if Ange thinks he's s good coach then what's the problem keeping him.

 

The most sensible post since this “issue” emerged.

 

From news sources, the latter quote 9 hours ago.

"That was particularly evident when asked about his backroom staff. Assistant manager John Kennedy and coach Gavin Strachan remain at the club after being part of Lennon’s coaching staff and then takign interim charge until the summer.

Postecoglou said he’ll start with both in place but was pretty forthright in saying that he’ll make changes the moment he feels it’ll benefit the team. But the manner in which he answered made it clear he’ll happily take responsibility for making any call and won’t seek approval from anyone before important decisions.

“My view on these things has always been that I’ll trust my judgement above anyone else’s,” he said. “I’ve had plenty of people offering opinions and that’s great and I take as much information in as possible

“Every role I’ve walked into, I back myself to make the right decisions. That’ll happen over the course of the next few weeks both with players and with staff.

“The environment will change, the way we work will change, and we’ll see over time which people fit in and if we need to bring people in to fill gaps then we’ll do that.

“The club’s given me the freedom to do that but I’ll make my own decisions.”"

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"However, the former Australia and Yokohama F Marinos coach, whose team take on Midtjylland of Denmark in their opening Champions League qualifier on Tuesday week, stressed he will be bringing in his own support staff.

“My history is if there’s good people in the building then there’s no reason to change it,” he said. “So far all the staff have been excellent and have embraced where we want to go to.

“I will back my judgment in all these things. I take responsibility at the end of the day. We need to add to our staff for sure. We will be bringing in people at the appropriate time. Not necessarily in the coaching area, but there’s other areas we need to bolster.”"

 

Any manager of note would have been telling the board he wants his own staff in. People he knows he can trust. If he cannot do that, then ram the job. It’s just not the done thing to keep coaches from a previously failed regime when a new manager takes over.

 

G'day boss..

Yes boss. Yes. Yes. Yes. OK boss. Yes boss..

Yes man..

 

That just says to me that he was forced to keep them on and he has happily accepted it to be honest. I predicted as much would happen to the new manager when the Howe deal fell through.

 

Doesn't say that to me at all.

It says he's agreed to consider them - and even that is just a guess.

I'll wait to see how the team goes over the next few weeks before making any judgments about the staff. The players are far more important.