Ange Postecoglou

Standard Ange way of dealing...

Wants to analyse the club top to bottom for himself - check
Loves to work with and promote youth - check
Instills his shape and system from the off - check
Make the squad fit enough to play Angeball - in progress but good signs v Wednesday

Has been here a matter of weeks and is already having an impact.

Things remaining to be done (in a very short period)...

Decide on staff (giving incumbents a chance to prove their worth) - in progress
Assess the suitability of first teamers for Angeball - in progress
Get established first teamers to believe in him and his system - in progress
Analyse what players (and staff) are needed for to maximise his system - in progress

The size of the job ahead of him cannot be overestimated. It's easy to get negative when the club have been through phases of neglect from the board and suspect more of the same but the one thing I can guarantee is that Ange is no ordinary manager and no matter how "same old" the board is, he will still have an impact on the team and on the pitch.

He already has.

 

I know where you are coming from regarding Ange being able to sign his own players, but that didn’t even always happen under Brendan Rodgers, a manager who in all honesty is miles above Ange. The whole point is, it shouldn’t have come to this. We shouldn’t be sitting just a few weeks away from competitive football with Anthony Ralston as our only right back. It’s laughable when you think about that. He wasn’t good enough for our bench last year, but as things stand, he will probably start our Champions League qualifier this year.

This board have had the easiest ride imaginable, for a lot of the time, all we had to do was be better than Aberdeen to lift the league trophy. Which meant we were guaranteed a crack at Champions League qualification, that should have been at the forefront of the board’s mind. It never was though, every year we went into they games needing players. Rodgers first season is probably the only year when the board went out their way to get us ready, and that was only because we got embarrassed in the semi by a Championship hun team months earlier. This board have held us back and stopped us progressing as a club.

The advantage we had over the huns should not only have meant 10 in a row, but the league title should have been ours for the foreseeable future. Now they have not only drawn level with us, but actually have an advantage over us. The minute we handed the job to Lennon after beating Hearts, it was a statement from the board, and not a positive one. A complete backwards step, and I said this time and time again when he got the job.

It’s sickening what this board have done to this club, both on the park and on the park. This year was a chance to show them we will not stand for it anymore, a chance to vote with our feet, and as a collective we haven’t done it. Therefore we will just have to suck it up and endure more of the same.

 

I don't see how anyone could not want to be on board with this. We need to let the man get on with his job and get behind him, seems to me like a lot of Celtic fans are already on side with the press, who will be constantly looking for things to snipe about. Let's no fall into that trap folks eh?

 

Very much this.

I get that you all are a bit brow beaten because it’s the same old same old, history repeats etc etc.

Aaaaand I get you’re sick of hearing us Aussies saying just wait, have faith.

And yep, it’s hard to fathom that your 5th choice as manager, someone, according to most of you, from the utter dregs of football managing, could actually be one of the greatest ever Celtic managers of all time.

Its * hilarious aye. Gonna be funnier when it’s true.

And forgive us Aussies. Ange is a bit of a legend to us Antipodean football tragics. Just humour us.

 

Not unsubstantiated, we have been steadily doing it for a while and it follows the pattern we’ve done under this board for a long time- go big behind a manager, downsize for a while. This is still us winding down from Rodgers time in charge.

 

So my point still stands then does it not he's not brought any of his own staff in whether or not anything will happen in future is debatable I personally would be surprised although I hope I'm wrong.

He can't be criticised for what Griffiths done but he can be criticised for giving the ok to it when most of us could see it wasn't a good idea and has proven to be.

We've needed a right back for 7 months now and the best we can do is Ralston ? Not for me although again not necessarily Ange's decision but I would hope he's had some say in it.

He's been frustrated in one interview time will tell on that front I suppose but again we've needed players for the first team for months upon months brought in a new manager and the majority of the players we're linked to are players we've been linked to under Lennon.


The way it looks to me is that he has came in been told he's working with Kennedy and Strachan then had little to no say in the deals for Griffiths and Ralston and hasn't brought any first team players in and again not exclusively a criticism of the manager but more so the board who are acting as if nothing has changed from last season

 

Why should it be a clean slate ? Have we just to forget last season cos we have a new manager ? It's already been shown that this clean slate method isn't working and has already been thrown back in his face. How many clean slates has Griffiths had now ?

Why wouldn't Ange Postecoglu walk away from the Celtic job ? He'll probably never have another opportunity like this or manage at a club this size. If he is as big a hero in Australia as is made out on here and that's not a dig btw then surely regardless of how he does at Celtic he will get a job in the A League. I honestly don't see what it is he has to lose from what I can see he has everything to gain which isn't a bad thing similar to Ronny

 

You could argue that, but we have spent nothing so far but since January sold 2 right backs, a striker and a centre back and only replaced the centre back. We have Ralston as our CL right back. With the CL so close we now need to shop in overpriced England as players from elsewhere will have to isolate. Nobody expected a the fully fixed squad but we haven't even papered over the cracks.

 

Its fine. Get them 2 jags and fly them into England isolation covered.

 

A clean slate allows everyone to perform without being tarnished by the past. It's a great way to motivate people who are interested in staying.

It isn't working? How in the world can you come to this conclusion in such a ridiculous (short) timeframe? You have no idea what players and others who are looking to perform are thinking or how they are performing. Did you see a bunch of players wandering around on the pitch last game disinterested? I didn't.

You would use the actions of one player to demonstrate that giving everyone a clean slate from which to start from was a mistake? If so, you think Ange took the wrong approach; perhaps with your considerable past managerial experience you should let him know how he should approach situations like this in the future.

 

This is correct. However, the board also appointed a manager who was not in the same league as Rodgers, or anywhere close to it to oversee the spend on the players. That was the issue.

 

Ange has form for walking - done it more than once - when he feels ripped off or unsupported.

The man has supreme confidence in his methods (look at his trophy cabinet) and knows he will pick and choose any time he makes himself available - at least in Asia where there's plenty of money on the table for managers who get results.

But he will see Celtic as the chance to really make his world reputation. Not so much in the league - he's expected to win that - but in Europe. Having watched his career closely and read a great deal of what he's ever said about football and his own mission therein, Ange will have massive ambition for the club. He'll know Celtic can't compete financially with the powerhouses of Europe and that is exactly why Celtic will be attractive to him.

When Celtic start to push the European envelope on our tiny budget, it will be clear to the world that something very special is happening in Glasgow. That can only be down to the manager. Far more impressive in the eyes of the world to achieve Euro success with Celtic than any EPL team.

Despite anything the board might do to stop him, I'm predicting Ange will bring in a new era of exciting football - successful football - and punch way above his weight in the Euro leagues. Good players will want to be part of it and accept less than they would elsewhere to part of the journey.

But...if he feels undermined in pursuit of his quest he could easily walk. The board need to understand that Ange does not need the job. He'd easily get another one, it's just that Celtic are the perfect vehicle for his own assault on the European citadel. If they DO understand that Ange isnae beholden to them for his bread and butter, it might just occur to them that maybe they'd better support him.

Ange will be aware of that and the threat of him leaving might just become a lever to get what he wants.

 

Aye that's because Lennon "had an eye for a player"..

 

John Park wasn't serving them up this time round.

 

I should've expanded more. One comment I read in here was that downsizing was happening at Celtic so that the Scottish Premiership would be a more even playing field for all clubs

 

One of the most ridiculous post I’ve read to date.
How has it been slapped in his face?
How is giving a clean slate a bad way to start? Particularly when the recruitment has been at a glacial pace. He has to deal with what he’s got ( short term ) and get the buy in from all players and staff and get the best out of them.
And yes, Ange will always have a gig back in the A League, but he’s so * above that. His future is Europe. That’s his goal, his ambition, to manage the biggest clubs in the world. That’s why this gig could be a career killer for him. Better term is his dream killer.
The only move he’d make back to Australia is to run the FFA and shake the * out of the entire set up of football in this country.
Look, I get why you guys say it’s the biggest opportunity he’s ever going to get. But again, it’s such a condescending thing to say when all of you admit you know nought about the bloke.

 

I really truly hope we worship this guy as much as the aussies

 

You will.

Even if it's only for the colourful way he eventually tells the board to stick the job up their Tory arses.

 

From the Daily Record:

Rangers can't make fatal Celtic mistake but John Lundstram signing proves they won't - Barry Ferguson

The biggest mistake Rangers can make this summer is to look across the city and assume Celtic are in a state of disarray.

Yes, I admit there’s a strong temptation to compare where Steven Gerrard is right now in terms of his preparations for the new season with the enormous rebuild Ange Postecoglou is having to deal with in his first few weeks in the job.

And, true, I think I’m probably not alone in being surprised at the apparent lack of transfer activity since the big Aussie took over.

With only 11 days to go before Celtic’s season begins with a crucial Champions League qualifier against Midtjylland, it does look as if Postecoglou is already right up against it. He could need as many as eight or nine new players in the door this summer so, on the one hand, I would have expected things to be moving a lot more quickly than they have been.

But, on the other, Postecoglou strikes me as the kind of guy who knows exactly what he wants and who will be determined to bring in exactly what he needs.

And that’s why Rangers should start counting any chickens where their rivals are concerned. If Postecoglou was pressing the panic button already then he’d just be happy to bring in as many bodies he can get his hands on.

That Celtic have resisted that temptation tells me that this guy is very much his own man with his own plan. He won’t be satisfied with making signings for the sake of it. He wants players he knows for sure will fit into his system and play football his way.

That’s why I’d be a bit wary of writing Postecoglou off if I was in Rangers’ shoes right now, even if it does look as if Gerrard’s squad is miles ahead at this moment in time.

In fact, if I was the Rangers manager I’d make a point of telling my players that now is no time for complacency to set in. Don’t start thinking the job is already done here because this guy hasn’t come half way across the world to make a fool of himself. Celtic are a wounded animal and Postecoglou will want them to bite back hard.

If Rangers fool themselves into thinking anything else then they could very quickly have cause to regret it.

Gerrard and his staff won't make that mistake. I was already certain of that.

 

It’s a load of pish but believe it or not our previous CEO has made comments that could be construed that way. Load of pish and out of context but the implication could be read into it