Ange Postecoglou

The punching holes into him referred to those going for the ‘yes man’ cheap shots.

I get the frustration with the board, yes I’ve seen it for years and thought it unbelievable when they refused to back Rodgers to improve in Europe. So I’m quite aware of it.

I can tell from yesterday’s interview by Ange that he’s already bristling at the board. He’s frustrated too and he’s put an ultimatum on the board, we are getting players in the next week. He’s timelined it for them.

 

Aye, maybe - but this is what I mean by mental gymnastics.

The man has been outstanding in all interviews so far, and from what I've seen on Oz interviews he's done a good job too.

On the other hand, our recruitment has been sub-par for a long time now, we have someone identifying and signing players but we don't know who it is. There's been no movement on new scouts or a DOF/Head of Recruitment and Ange doesn't even have one person at the club that's his man, he's still stuck with board appointed staff that worked for the last manager.

To be honest I don't see why we should assume Ange is all of a sudden terrible at interviews and everything is rosey in the garden.

Like I said, it could work out and we get some decent players in and Ange does a great job, but whatever we achieve will be less that what it could've been because we continue this old-fashioned despotic * from the board room.

Regardless of what you think of Ange, he's come here because it's by far the biggest job of his career and an enormous opportunity and step up from where he was. The type of reputable manager we want doesn't want to come here because of the bullshit we impose - Howe couldn't have made it more obvious.

But still - excuses rather than calling it out. I can't believe how short peoples' memories are.

 

Really?

The odds would be pretty small given Rodgers is likely to have asked them to hire Davies ...

 

Asked, or told?

Do you think managers ask CEOs to hire their assistants, with a wee Oliver cap in their hands?

 

It's not that the CEO does the contract work. The CEO drives the organisation and runs its.

The CEO of any organization has 10x the power, authority, responsibilities of the manager.

Having said that, everything is a negotiation. Ange has to negotiate his demands for players/staff/facilities with the CEO.
That's where this whole debate comes from, negotiating strength between the manager and CEO.

I for one believe that Ange will push the CEO (and therefore the board) to its limits. People are pointing out that between Ralston, Griffiths, staff that this isnt happening. IMO, Ange is just settling in and trying to manage the mess he's inherited.

 

Asked or told; I see you agree it is the CEO that does the actual hiring.

Can we get a Dom emoji please?

 

You meant to have linked something or listed these dozen players that would prove to some degree that Ange has asked for players he specifically likes and feels are a good fit? Not ones that are shown to him and he looks and says "aye, could do a job I suppose"

As James is saying, bit weird that Chris Davies magically gets hired all these places that Rodgers goes.

Of course, technically speaking it is the CEO who is signing the contract when new staff comes in, but it is the manager who is requesting these staff members (and players) be hired to assist HIM in doing his job.

The issue here IS NOT ANGE, the issue is the club itself and the way we operate.
No manager should ever be given a new job and not allowed to bring in any of his own staff or players.
It is actually a major * concern that he hasn't managed to bring in just one of his own backroom staff.
Again, NOT AGAINST ANGE here, this is on the board. The boar are not helping him, not helping the club.


Everyone has bought ST like right * muppets and ran out buying that new green top, the board yet again have taken all the cash and given the support * all back.

 

Naw

 

We say the board, but technically it’s most likely Dom that is getting targeted here.

 

Nope, introduce yourself to Google (some research?).

 

In essence, yes.
But the board do play a large part in what Dom can and can not do/wants to do.
None of them are clean at all when it comes to the shambles of the way this club is ran.



Ange should not be going from positive, responsive, encouraging interviews to frustration, anger, disappointment within his first 2 weeks in the job.

 

Nah it's all of them. Bankier is in charge of the biscuit tin, and they all ultimately work for Desmond anyway who couldn't give a *.

The balance sheet is the priority and football is secondary, it's a disgrace.

 

I already know the players we are linked with, cheers.
Yet to see any that are a direct link to Ange alone, that isn't just literally lazy paper talk.

 

It's not complicated. CEO has final say in every company, but when I need staff for a project, I tell the bosses and we work together to bring in the staff I need.

In football, the manager picks his staff. That's it. If that's not happening, you have a problem.

As you said, with Deila the board picked his staff. It was a * disaster. With Lennon, the board picked his staff. It was a bigger * disaster.

This board has previous and it's happening again, and people are bending over backwards to excuse it.

My original quote: "We need Ange to come in and start sacking people and forcing the club to bring in staff."

So I think it was pretty clear what I meant and you're just being deliberately ignorant to dodge the point.

Okay - to make you feel better I'm saying the manager should pick his staff. That includes picking which ones to get rid of and which ones to bring in. Technically, the CEO will do the hiring and firing, but Ange should be deciding his staff.

Do you think a manager should pick his own staff? Do you think that's what's going on at Celtic right now?

 

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/foot...nge-postecoglou-became-manager-3299729?page=3
Starfelt,
Doig,
Ryan,
Mooy,
Vukovic,
Wyke,
Nisbet,
Edwards,
Hickey,
Atkinson,
McCann,
Hincapie


finished your post for you MAP, I'll let you figure out which two are lazy journalism with no substance and which 10 are players already on Celtic radar before Ange showed up.

 

A manager should have a significant say in who his immediate staff are, however, not always. For example, the DOF is not supposed to be a staff member beneath the manager, yet some felt that Howe should have had the right to bring in his own mate as DOF.

The DOF is an intermediary between the manager and the CEO to help the process, to negotiate, to straighten matters out, to take up other responsibilities.

Rodgers got Davies as his AM because he had the bargaining power to do so. Its up to Ange to negotiate his resources from the CEO who then has to get approval from the Board (who he himself works for).

I think Ange is going to be good for the club. Good for the way the club works.

 

Good to see the new manager get off to a winning start.

Liked the look of how he set-up and you could see he was asking the players to adapt their game to his vision.

All good signs in terms of his management of the existing squad.

 

If you take note of his interviews, he’s positive when he talks of his team and players. He’s negative when he talks about the backing he’s getting.

He did two interviews yesterday. One with Celtic TV where he talked up the performance of his players. He then went and did mainstream media who asked about recruiting. He answered it appropriately. In his first MSM interview, he said he needed players yesterday. At the game yesterday he pushed the point again, he needs players.

If you listen to him, he’s consistent, he’s deliberate and speaks his mind.