Ange Postecoglou

It takes time to identify, agree fees and negotiate contracts for players.

Ange has been at the clubs for a matter of weeks and people want him to release our ONLY right back. I just think thats mad. It's not his fault that the club has left him with 1 right back. Blame the board.

He's actually being prudent to err on the side of caution and not leave the club without a right back

 

The Scotsman has kindly produced this for you.

A dozen players who've been linked with Celtic since Ange Postecoglou became the club’s next permanent manager

 

I don't understand the mental gymnastics people go through to make this situation seem better than it is.

Ange should be pure buzzing doing these interviews, excited about the players he has coming in and looking forward to enhancing the squad. Instead he sounds bemused and frustrated.

There's someone on here saying they hope Ange uses our scouting network. What * scouting network? The one that's not fit for purpose and seemingly identifies half the players at random, several months after we needed them?

We need Ange to come in and start sacking people and forcing the club to bring in staff. He doesn't have even 1 person at the club that's his man, instead he has staff and players that the board are bringing in.

What is the benefit, as a supporter, to sit and excuse that and pretend it's okay?

I like Ange, he's done enough so far for me to back him, but making excuses for bullshit is not helping him. Whatever he achieves at this club will be less than what he would've if he didn't need to wait through the bullshit the board serves up.

I'm sorry but this is just the type of bullshit I'm talking about.

Why are we making up pish excuses that it takes decades to sign players? We've needed a RB since January (You know, when we received > £11m for one) and when Ange came in we should've had a list of RBs, with potential deals sounded out for some of them in case Ange wanted to action one.

If Ange has his own choice of RB, then we should be actioning a backup right now and doing our best to get his in. Why make * excuses for incompetence?

We, as a support, need to stop making excuses and start demanding excellence. We're at a point where renewing Ralston's contract is seen as shrewd business for * sake. January.

I'm ranting here and I'm not blaming Ange, but let's stop pretending things like this are okay. IMO Ange should reject the likes of Ralston and put the board under pressure.

 

Great Post.

 

Ange also said he had been looking at transfers weeks before he officially arrived. We should have been changing the habit of a lifetime and identifying full backs and moving quickly.

The club punted Elhamed and Frimpong in January knowing this would be our situation in the summer. There's no reason to be unprepared.

 

I'm sorry but this is just the type of bullshit I'm talking about.

I'm ranting here and I'm not blaming Ange, but let's stop pretending things like this are okay. IMO Ange should reject the likes of Ralston and put the board under pressure.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps I should move my post over to the "controversial Celtic opinions" thread.

"Do not release your only right back one week before a Champions league qualifier"

 

Spot on. It's inexcusable..

They sold our 2 right back's last window and brought in a short term loan. There is no excuse for having no right back lined up ready to go right away. There's a number out of contract even still now, yet we're twiddling our thumbs offering third choice no hopers a new deal..

Working away on target's for week's, wanted player's in yesterday over a week ago and here we are, no first team player's in with game's in less than a fortnight..

Some rebuild ay..

 

Perhaps I should move my post over to the "controversial Celtic opinions" thread.

"Do not release your only right back one week before a Champions league qualifier"[/QUOTE]

For * sake mate, let me rephrase that for you to show you the real issue.

Do not only have one right back, who isn’t good enough for St. Johnstone, as your only right back one week before Champions League qualifiers. *Especially when you’ve had this problem for 6 months.

 

For * sake mate, let me rephrase that for you to show you the real issue.

Do not only have one right back, who isn’t good enough for St. Johnstone, as your only right back one week before Champions League qualifiers. *Especially when you’ve had this problem for 6 months.[/QUOTE]

As I said in my original post, it was the boards fault and not Anges.

Surely youre not blaming Ange for what happened 6 months ago?

 

Listening to that podcast, if you want to listen, the important part is from 16.15.

It’s not that he’s being a yes man, he’s being asked to develop the club. What I hear from it is, “we don’t want you bringing your team in, then * off with your team and everything you know goes with you.” Dom has talked of modernising the club, well to do that you need to change and learn new ways. I’ve already seen there’s a player analyst position advertised. That sounds like Ange has already identified an area that can be modernised.

Ange is being asked to develop the staff and the players with a focus on developing youth. Ange has never had a permanent team, he’s always taken on new people and developed his team with the idea of them ‘graduating’ to running their own show.

So the agent who is speaking, confirms that is the initial deal, but he doesn’t know how it works going forwards, so it’s definitely subject to change. There really is nothing to see here.

Let’s focus on what he does rather than trying to punch holes in him at every turn. His football was there to see yesterday, that second 30 and the kids blew away a full strength SW. No surprise that the change came straight after he got them back into the dressing room to adjust the players minds.

 

I'd have thought that would be the CEOs job.

 

I said in my original post that it was the boards fault and not Anges.

Surely youre not blaming Ange for what happened 6 months ago?[/QUOTE]

I clearly said I wasn’t blaming Ange.

I’m blaming the board, but I’m not going to pretend that giving Ralston a contract is good either.

Personally if I was Ange I’d get rid of Ralston and put the board under pressure to sort the problem they’ve ignore for 6 months.

Speculation but the reality is Ange probably had no say on the situation. What annoys me is people are coming on here to say things like:

It takes time to identify, agree fees and negotiate contracts for players.

I get this is intended as a defence of Ange rather than the board, but it’s the type of excuse we don’t need. We should be demanding * gets done, period. It’s not as hard as we make out.

 

Agree. The amount of responsibilities that supporters think managers have at a football clubs is mad.

The CEO has responsibility for the day-to-day running of the football club, its staff etc.

Ange has responsibility for the day-to-day running of the First Team. The idea that Ange is going around sacking staff members and sacking players and scouting and negotiating contracts for players...

He's in the door a few weeks and getting blame for structural and historical issues that have dragged over because of the board.

 

No, it's the manager's job to hire his assistant. If you've been in the Celtic bubble too long you might not believe that, but everywhere else that's the case.

 

People seriously think the CEO hires and fires the manager's assistant and coaches?

So we're okay with Ange having his assistant hired for him? That's our position?

Wow, Rodgers has been really lucky that every CEO he's had has hired Chris Davies. What are the odds of that?

 

You guys in Oz will know better at this stage regarding Ange and his ways of working and your reply is a good one. Don't think anyone is punching holes in to Ange to be honest. Just fed up at the archaic, arrogant and cheap way the club operates, which if that's what's he's agreed to, will only hinder himself going forward.

As many posts stated before have said, we knew for months on end what was required. Yet none, absolutely zero of it has been achieved and we're less than 2 weeks away from our first competitive game. Its major frustration on supporters part, fueled by the contempt of the board towards the club and fans, looking after their bank balances first.

 

As far as I am aware, the CEO of any business has the final say regarding staff, particularly management staff.

Ange would most likely have had some bargaining power to bring in staff, but its not his call, its the CEO's. Which is evident in the fact that Strachan and Kennedy are still there and none of Ange's staff are in.

And he certainly can't just sack whoever he wants. That's a discussion that he'd need to have with the CEO.

Even if you look back at when Roy Keane was being considered for Manager and the board had identified Ronny Deila as his assistant. I bet you Deila didn't pick John Collins either.

 

Everyone is obsessed with the notion of a yes man

 

Maybe just maybe he doesn't like interviews.

 

Absolutely 100% on the money correct.

And it was total * bullshit that it happened. It doesn't happen anywhere else, or at least very rarely.

It should NOT be happening. If the CEO is appointing the manager's assistant then there's a huge, huge problem.

You're right, the CEO technically has the final say on who the staff are. He also has the final say on which players are signed, you think it's okay for big Dom to pick the next striker we sign then? Obviously not (I hope) - so let's let Ange decide his staff and not pretend because the CEO does the simple contract work it should somehow be up to him eh?