Leigh Griffiths

Fantastic strawman argument you've got there.

You accused me of generalising all players, I wasn't. That's a massive baseless assumption on your part. Criticism of Griffiths' repeated lack of professionalism ≠ a lack of acknowledgement of his mental health. I was focusing on one player who has a continual history of poor professional standards, backed up by evidence and also taking into consideration his issues; you can even re-read the thread when I was defending him at the time of his struggles if you care to. The support for him amongst the fan base was unanimous. Time and time again he hasn't been fit enough, you can re-read the quotes from three different managers questioning his professionalism.

A club like Celtic has certain standards that must be met if we are to be successful. Griffiths has been a good player for us but he's not met those standards on several occasions and his contribution on the pitch has been waning for a few seasons now, largely of his own making. He's received time off for his mental health when required and as much as I empathise with his struggles, the club isn't a charity and the only reason he's even in consideration for a contract extension is because we're losing so many first team regulars.

 

Nah it’s just misinformation that people are spouting that’s *. People with no knowledge of mental health trying to justify their thoughts. Just because they are professional athletes doesn’t mean they don’t have off field issues. Anyone that’s lived with or been around mental health will know this, you don’t just turn it off and on like a tap. Add constant pressure to mental health and it’s a powder keg waiting to blow. Fans and supporters think because they’re getting x amount per week that they’re immune from anything else going on in their lives. I find it offensive and uneducated to presume so.

 

I'm late to the party with this conversation, but what's your point?

 

GTFO wow.

 

What's your argument here ? We can't keep him on as he has had mental health issues previously we're not a charity it is possible to separate mental health and unprofessionalism he turned up unfit to the biggest season of our lifetime that on it's own is unforgivable

 

Another non argument. That's three in a row.

 

#goingfor55

 

You’ve made all of this up in your head. ‘Ajeti’ questioned Leigh’s professionalism as an athlete and did not once dismiss his mental health struggles.

 

Even if he did question his mental health, he wouldn't be the first person in employment to "pull a sickie".

 

Until you know all the facts you can’t just start blaming lack of fitness on aspect. Yes LG has had fitness issues in the past, yes he come back unfit last season. As a manager NL would have been fully aware of these problems. As a manager of a club/business anything where your told to manage a pool of staff it’s YOUR responsibility to make sure you manage them in the correct fashion. If LG is always coming back unfit you make sure he comes back fit, you call him make sure he’s doing drills, keeping up fitness etc. What I’ve been saying all along is not all players share the same ethics, some been encouragement some need less, add mental health to the mix and that can be disastrous.

Go to the gym you’ll find people that can just batter on with their fitness, some need personal trainers to motivate them, stop the PT and the motivation stops. As a manager if you knew a player was like this surely you’d make sure a PT turned up every day (or zoom in the current climate) you wouldn’t let a player go unchecked for 4-6 weeks during end of season-preseason, that’s just bad man management of the highest order.

 

When did that happen ? Pot kettle black if true

edit - Never mind I'm a *

 

i must have been reading the wrong thread for 2 pages then ….

 

You've just been talking * for 2 pages, coming up with empty one sentence replies because you have nothing to counter with.

 

I get that but surely that's part and parcel of being a professional athlete you have a responsibility to keep yourself in good nick physically. I sympathise with the issues he has had but it can't be used as an excuse whenever he is out of order as has been stated the club have more than helped with time off through these issues. Him having had mental health issues should have no bearing on whether he gets a new deal or not that should be based purely on footballing ability and on the park he's not been cutting it

 

You'll never not be 'Minty'

 

Does there need to be an argument? Thought it was a forum to have opinions. Especially opinions that you know about. With mental health being my profession and training footballers being my part time job/hobby both were relevant the to the points being made.

Guessing you just need to shout inaccuracies to be the big man here.

 

If you're going to start a discussion where you make a statement you should be able to back it up if you're challenged on it; you haven't and I've explained why you were wrong, which you've continually ignored and consequently only responded with drivel afterwards. You haven't said anything remotely relevant and I haven't said anything inaccurate.

 

I would’ve said Minty but the other dude Noskeil might have missed what I meant

I think there is plenty of truth to both sides of the Griffiths argument. Yes he has clearly been unprofessional. It’s a consensus from 3 separate managers and he’s the common denominator.
However, during this past season, Griffiths, in my eyes, looked as sharp as ever whenever he was given a chance. As he has said himself in his recent interview, he would find himself back on the bench after saving our bacon with a late goal on more than one occasion.

Lennon didn’t give Leigh a fair crack last season in my view. Probably because he resented him for turning up unfit at the start of the year.

Leigh is a year older and a year wiser (hopefully). Ange also strikes me as an excellent man manager. There’s also little evidence that Leigh has not been professional for the past 6+ months. I say give him one more chance on an incentive based contract.

 

Ive seen people with everything lose it all and I’ve seen people with the hardest upbringing overcome mental health. It’s one thing about the human mind, it can happen to anyone at any time, but that’s no reason to right them off. A large percentage of the time either trauma or work is at blame and like I’ve said before about NL/LG if they have a toxic relationship that’s LGs job you don’t get the opportunity to take a “sickie”