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John Kennedy

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by LectersLuncheon, May 15, 2016.

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  1. AdamRS Gold Member Gold Member

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    I’m judging him on his 10 days in charge, remember when he says he was limiting rangers to having to use the wings :56:like that isn’t their strong point John. In those 10 games it was the biggest pumping we’ve had from them since 2000.

    I also wouldn’t say it’s two faced, the board get stick nowadays don’t they? But 2-3 years ago not much?
     
  2. jambo_cfc

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    Beale at rangers is the brains , gerrard is just the name and the draw for players , having a good assistant manager is absolutely pivotal
     
  3. Liam Scales

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    2-3 years ago the board were getting it tight.

    So you’re basis of him as a coach is his being not good as a manager in 10 games?
     
  4. AdamRS Gold Member Gold Member

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    Yes

    When Lennon left i had high hopes for Kennedy, i was shocked to see the same * selections and tactics, the way he approached the Rangers game showed me he didn’t have a clue.

    Those 10 games where Kennedy’s first chance to go solo and show what he had in his locker.

    I thought his press conferences where better though.
     
  5. Liam Scales

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    That’s where I’ll agree to disagree then, because a manager and a coach is a far different job and role.
     
  6. AdamRS Gold Member Gold Member

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    Well from what we are led to believe, Lennon left everything on the training ground to his coaches (who i assume means Kennedy). Things where poor, defending was shambolic imo. Then Lennon left and Kennedy took charge and things never changed. So from what i’ve seen of him as a coach and manager where poor

    I think the key difference when Rodgers was here, was that he was on the training ground doing the coaching.
     
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    Which is horrendous management if true and a real change of style for Lenny from what he’s always done by all accounts.
    But if true, would mean he is pretty much responsible for the last 5 trophies Lennon won with some incredible football as well the year for the 9, sealing a Treble Treble and Quadruple Treble.

    Then obviously the disconnect between the management and coaches was a step too far this season.
     
  8. AdamRS Gold Member Gold Member

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    For someone who thinks so highly of Kennedy, i find it baffling why you want him away.
     
  9. Zander Gold Member Gold Member

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    The general opinion regarding Kennedy has always been totally unbalanced. As a few have said, criticised when the going is tough and not credited for any success. You cant have that both ways, it makes no * sense.

    Also the rhetoric you tend to hear about him being a charity case is insulting to the man too, who by all accounts has worked his socks off. He's been praised by numerous players and coaches for his ability and his meticulousness.

    He needs to go for himself tho. He's been tarred with a brush and it's stuck.
     
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    I don’t, I have no idea what he is like as a coach. It’s down to the management. I’m just following the logic of if Lenny just left him to it and it was mostly him then it’s his success winning five trophies in a row would it not be?
     
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    Cannot fathom how there are some people willing to give Kennedy a bye here. He has already said he wants to be a manager in his own right, so why he would degrade himself further by staying on as a number 2 to ANOTHER new is is beyond me.

    For the love if * just GO
     
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    It's easier for the guy to stay in the background and collect a good wage, rather than put himself forward and be the main man at another club, if he did that he knows he wouldn't be able to escape direct criticism.

    If he's that well thought of by those who have worked with him then he should be confident in his own ability.
     
  13. Mr. Slippyfist

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    Sorry mate I've been busy all day so just reading your earlier reply to me.

    I'll answer you on this one though. Are you saying it's down to Lennon for Kennedy's faults? I agree with you, he MAY not be getting any deserved praise for what he MAY have brought to the table under Rodgers, but for me HE and STRACHAN were as big a problem as what Lennon was - his stint as manager proved that, by choosing similar team selections, and making equally - if not worse- bewildering tactical selections and coming out with complete and utter rubbish.

    There's no defending him, or Strachan.
     
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    I’m saying if you can’t manage your coaches to get the best out of them, when before they were clearly part of a successful setup under several different managers then it’s the managers fault.
     
  15. Mr. Slippyfist

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    So, it's Lennon's fault Kennedy is * useless?
     
  16. Liam Scales

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    And that’s what I’m trying to figure out, what’s * basing that on?

    Cept they want it to be the case.
     
  17. Mr. Slippyfist

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    You just said it there :56::56:
     
  18. Liam Scales

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    Aye pretty much thought that, * are doing some bonkers mental gymnastics in here :56:
     
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    When Rodgers was here, Kennedy would have played a far lesser role than to when Lennon was manager. Rodgers had Toure and Davies beside him who’s voices would have been heard a lot more than Kennedy’s. When he was assistant to Lennon though, he was moved up the ranks. Literally every single player that was here under Rodgers, then went backwards under the watch of Lennon and Kennedy. I think Kennedy played a pivotal role in our downfall last season, and I think he had a lot more to do with tactics and selections than some attribute to him.
     
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    We also had a major upturn the season before, is that attributed to him?