Ange Postecoglou

This is why I am hesitant on Postecoglou. I want a manager with plans A, B and C, all different from each other.

 

Although similar to Rodgers. Itll work wonders in Scotland but Europe's another thing. Atleast we won't need to worry about psg pumping us 12-0

 

Back in the day, he'd maybe have made a fantastic enforcer of an assistant to someone like Ronnie and got his badges then.

The * can hardly moan about lack of opportunities in Europe without the required badges to coach teams he thinks he's worthy of coaching.

He could have easily, if he's so amazing, gone into any mid table team who doesn't see European football and started coaching, surely he could have got a gig in Belgium, Holland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland, GREECE! and worked his way up.

If all these managers like Pep and Rodgers are/were singing his praises surely it wouldn't have been so difficult to get any gig at any European league.

The fact whether we like it or not, we need coaches with badges as we are to some extent involved in European football more often than not, so for us to go after this guy knowing he doesn't have them thus leading to the likelihood that * like Kennedy stay on the payroll is criminal.

 

Absolutely mate. I listened to talk sport the other day and Sol Campbell was on, another guy with a pro license, and it was actually painful listening to him try to construct a coherent sentence or explain his thoughts on the game as a whole. These are the types of guys that are to be considered superior to the likes of Postecoglu because of a, as you put it, “glorified hall pass”? Do me a favour....


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Don't think this is happening, plan struck me as being announce this guy asap after Howe deal collapsed to make it seem like he was a close 2nd choice - only they again wildly misread how the support would take it, and genuinely failed to check on the basic details of signing him.

 

I'd be 99.9% sure it's Ange.. in saying that I was 99.9% sure it was Howe

 

I was 99.9% sure we would win the league when we beat sevco at new year, fly off to dubai and come back refreshed and steam roll to the title.

I'm no longer making predictions.

 

Just how * up are we that the best we can do is a manager that we need to beg uefa to allow us to get an exemption for?

When you need to do that, it's either because the coach is so worldly good you just have to have him.

Or you've * things so bad, that everyone else closer to home has told us to * off.

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I'll just fire my head in the sand and go option 1.

 

last night...

Was able to flick between some of the games last night..

Ireland u21 v Australia u23 - Connell and Afolabi - they didn't do anything stand out in the game v Australia, Arzani came out looked flashy unfortunate he got a bad injury at the club.

Scotland v Holland - to see gordan make a few great saves, Armstrong do his thing, KT with some tasty stuff, forrest fluff crosses, Christie be Christie and Mc Gregor crash into tackles, Turnbull looked good unlucky not to score - do we want Nesbit ?

Norway v Luxembourg - Moi did ok on the left wing in the second half, that old name Meiling was very good at left back - gets up and down the line, very involved, both footed, nice crosses into the box, make a few important tackles in his own box - silly we didn't go for him at left back when we had the chance, maybe we could still go for him? Luxembourg are not to be laughed at they are a progessive team with some players we could pinch..Rodrigues I like although he plays for dynamo Kyiv defo a good striker to watch he is a handful - their centre mid martins at young boys could be an ideal scott brown replacement ...Carlson their centre half was solid and strong - haaland had a quiet game considering he scored.

Looking at the incoming new manager, Ange I think looking at the positives...
- he has world cup / big game experience
- he has first hand knowledge at the Asian market - naka, sung-yueng; they proved well for the long and generally they come with good work ethic and no off the pitch problems.
- I like the way his teams set up - pace down the wings, fast ball moving

Ange or Kennedy is a no brainer for me.

Any incoming manager whether it is Pep, Howe or Rodgers etc would all find it difficult away to the likes of Livingston on a wet December night etc.

I think it all isn't doom and gloom - lets give the guy a chance, see who he brings in and try and get a settled team, I think after his first few training sessions the players will buy into what he is trying to do and bring some zing back to the football. It would be interesting to see what 'european' hand he brings in along side him.

 

Its really happening then.... I'm lost for words at this entire process and the result of it. Weeks before he's here also..... farcical.

 

Fergie didn't have no UEFA pro.. he flashed his champions league medal and they gave him a bye-ball. Ive seen coaches with A license and have no clue about game management - just cuz you pass your driving test does not make you a good driver. It is a big world out there, Europe isn't the epicentre - Europe makes hoops to jump through. An incoming South American coach would require the same remit. it is much needed - ive 90% of my A licence done - it is a money making scheme to keep pen pushers in jobs, and once you have any license (B, A or pro) you need to keep on renewing every 3/5 years to refresh and pay out more money etc.. any reason why grassroots football isn't developing the cost of these, the expense of pitch fees, referee fees, cleaning kits, petrol to and from games, the cost of competitions etc.. sorry getting side tracked. But yea Mourinho never played the game at pro level, Wenger brought in new diets and was laughed at.

I would love him to get the job and bring in some talented Asian players who excite and wet the lips - imagine a new modern naka down the wing for the hoops - rather this than Christie or forrest in my opinion.

I think the club are aware of his coaching methods, passion and understanding of the game - tick, tick, tick - this is what we need to stabilise the club - give the guy a chance and I think some of the fans will be doing a 180 U-turn.

 

The thing is- he won't even be able to assess the team until those weeks have passed.

 

It's alright, I've already done it for him.

Verdict: pure *

 

So why isn't he still there making Celtic the best they could possibly be?

He took them as far as he could in a league with just Aberdeen and the hamstrung huns, then jumped ship.

And I didn't say Ange was better than that. I said he would have ambition to take them beyond their current station. That's what he's always done elsewhere and Celtic will be his biggest challenge. If he gets the job.

 

I suppose you're right on the defense. Midfield is technically gifted, but not all are hard workers. Same goes for strikers- all are lazy, except Klimala (or was he sold?). It means he can't really impose his playing style. Afterall, the mentality of Japanese players and their physical traits might be reasons why he is managing there, not in Scotland.

 

He might have had that ambition but nowhere near the belief. He was full of excuses for Europe and blaming a ‘glass ceiling’.

 

he has eyes and I am sure he will be looking at every game we played last season and making notes, he kind of reminds me of the same school as Bielsa.

We need to lift our UK / European head out of the gutter - football is a big world game and good coaches, managers and players are in every continent, who are we to be snobs. we haven't qualified for the CL for the last 3/4 seasons. Our European away record in the last 15 years has been embarrassing.

We need someone to play football, get the fans buzzing and bring in some hidden gems, there is risk but I think weighing all things up it could work out ok.

Howe - who most was going orgasmic over has no European experience, no world cup experience, only every coached in one country and has a poor transfer signing record, also he has never taken a team to lift the title in the premier league - so has he the mental toughness if he reached the new found territory. with Celtic he could have added European experience to his belt - no doubt if he took the role it would have been ' I never realised how big celtic was blah blah or that there was a life outside football in england'... johnny come lately no thanks mate.

think far and wide guys, if he gets the role lets support him.

I would say if you watched him put on a training session he would blow lennon, kennedy and Strachan out of the water.

 

I think if he does get the role then most people will get behind him and if he starts winning games straight away will win the rest over. However the stumbling block for most is if he doesn't bring his own backroom team with him and is forced to keep Kennedy and Strachan it will look like the same old pattern, a yes man for the board and have players signed for him he doesn't want.

 

Few takeaways from this:

1. They talk about this match like it's a sign of Ange's managerial genius, it was a flukey win over Syria
2. They say Ange is the type of that twists on 19 in Blackjack. To me that says he's less of a tactical mastermind and more like a clueless optimist
3. He plays with 3 no. 10s. So at least we'll be able to make use of our stockpile of CAMs
4. Every player who talks about how much they enjoyed playing under Ange always has to counter it by saying that they learned a lot when Bert van Marwijk took over, pointing out how he's the opposite of Postecoglou in terms of philosophy