Neil Lennon

You are placing an unreasonable and unattainable burden of proof on people who are clearly voicing credible opinions from a position of some authority.

The degree to which Lennon is tactically competent or incompetent is incalculable, but I trust the judgement of my fellow supporters, who have scrutinised his managerial career for over a decade now.

There have been countless instances in which Lennon has demonstrated tactical ineptitude (and you can no doubt cite examples of his tactical competence, or even skill), but I doubt that any of them will satisfy your inquisition. Why should they?

We both know that it is impossible to quantify such a shortcoming, so asking someone for conclusive evidence of it is disingenuous. To then argue that a lack of such evidence demonstrates that Lennon is held to a different standard from everyone else is ridiculous.

 

Parker was just one of the coaches when Ledley was here, however there was also the likes of Mjalby & Thommo around as well as Kennedy & Stevie Woods at the time, so perhaps that was what Parker was be the 'good cop', in a good cop/bad cop scenario?

 

How is this * show being allowed to continue. Its depressing. Why do we need to wait till it's far too late to do anything about the season before we act. Lennon has had more chances than a monopoly game to sort this and he cannot do it. Its beyond him. That * * Lawell needs taken down a peg or two. Why isn't DD doing anything about this???? Nobody is leading, nobody is taking responsibility. All bunkering down behind fences and * statements telling us fans to eat our soup and shut up.

So many questions. So many emotions. But these easiest one to deal with is hate. Hate them all. For their selfish egotistical ways. For putting money before all else. They're not Celtic men. Sickens me further Dave Kings attitude towards us. Media writing us off after they same hacks were fed pish by PL days earlier.

Been a * * few weeks for the club and its fans. Don't see it getting better either. With a new years humping at the asbestos dome. Every passing day is an opportunity missed to claw the deficit in coaching/set up to challenge the scum.
But we don't bother. We don't care.

Gutting. Truly.

 

Lennon does have his strengths, most particularly has generally proven to have a pretty good eye for a player, but his game management has often left a lot to be desired.

I often wonder why managers think being on the sideline is their preferred position. Surely sitting up in the stand gives a much better overview of what is happening, and in the modern age with technology being what it is they can communicate with coaches in the technical area to communicate with the players. Think some of the histronics of managers on the touchline are sometimes much more about theatre than it is about actual necessity.

 

The guys that came in in the summer of 2019 like Elhamed, Bolingoli, Taylor and Jullien, did Lennon have assay in bringing them in?

 

This is total nonsense. It is absolutely not unreasonable to ask for solid evidence for a proposition that none of us can observe directly. This is totally legitimate. It is absolute nonsense to say that this is an unreasonable burden of proof.

You are perfectly entitled to trust them without evidence (although bear in mind that I am also such a supporter); but my asking for evidence does not make me like a conspiracy theorist.

You seem to be implying that I am never satisfied by the evidence I ask for. That would indeed be acting like a conspiracy theorist. The problem is that it's demonstrably not true. Until the first Prague game, I argued that Lenny was not * up and that our poor form was down to the amount of players unavailable and not match fit. I made the testable prediction that our form would improve when we got people back. Key players returned and we didn't improve. I admitted I was wrong in the face of the evidence.

I also argued against the notion that Lenny was behind the times as a coach. I have not totally conceded that I am definitely wrong yet , but I have conceded that the evidence is accumulating (the actual evidence from the things Lenny has been saying in interviews about not watching games back and the bizarre comment about how much information to give them) and I have also conceded that it is looking most likely that I will probably turn out to be wrong about this one too.

This is not the behaviour of a conspiracy theorist who is never satisfied by the evidence

Who asked you to quantify anything? There are standards of evidence that have nothing to do with quantification.
A member of the coaching staff making a serious statement that Lenny doesn't care about formation would be strong evidence, an ex-player (Kelvin Wilson) making a flippant comment) about his recollection of 7 years ago is much weaker evidence. Lenny saying that, gosh, he might make the squad watch back the video for once was indeed one piece of hard evidence that needs to be taken seriously. If you can find a few more like that, I will concede that I'm wrong (because if you can find a few more like that, I will, of course, actually be wrong). I'm not, contrary to what you state, asking for something unattainable and in no way being disingenuous.

By the way, feel free to apologise for the "disingenuous" comment, because I have argued in good faith from the start.

 

Hopefully things just click again after a few wins and we go to Ibox and counter the * out of them like we did the last time we went there.

It's definitely not insurmountable but we need turn a corner immediately

 

Think we need Johnstone & Forrest back if we have any chance of doing this. If Forrest isn't fit, i would give Frimpong the opportunity to run at them on the break. We seem to hold on to the ball too long in midfield when on the break & the boys out wide seem to always turn back & slow it down.

 

I’m * if I can handle any more of this negativity...

Lennon gets my support for tomorrow along with the players.

One last chance to show us they’re up to the job.

 

The reason why nothing is getting done is because we as fans react from and with emotion,we are rarely correct and in many cases proved very wrong on assumptions ,and opinions , tactics and players .
The Board have to be trusted to deal with the situation after having discussions with the manager and either feeling he can pull us out of this stumbling ineptitude or dealing with his replacement.

Wot I do know is the infighting with fans and club are without doupt helping to hand the title to the huns , we as fans don't have much patience and thats exactly wots needed here , to back off and see if we can fix this and let the club focus on the fix rather than fan disturbances .
I will point to a ray of hope that things are not a lost cauz , we went 2 goals up away to lile and same with ac Milan, but the team seemed to know they would throw this away , so we are not a million miles of being better , the confidence in team defending is shot and needs put right , not by continually stating players are making bad judgement calls , giving away stupid penalties , it makes players scared to react naturally to situations , show them the error and how more cover and support would have stopped the problem happening .

I know these are big asks for fans to accept but we only serve to give the media negatives to print and help our rivals .

 

A win tomorrow simply delays the inevitable.

 

(a) There’s certainly lots of things going wrong, tactical ineptitude is one of them, hence why we’re so obviously tactically inept.

As others have said, there’s numerous examples of decisions, repeated mistakes, lack of change which show he is tactically clueless. This is perfectly valid evidence. You don’t need a quote from a coach written in a book.

(b) With regard to his past, your logic is simply flawed. There’s very simple explanations that would explain why tactics were better in the past (if we even grant that assertion). For example, tactics could’ve been handled by other coaches that are no longer here. So to say we would ‘expect that to affect past seasons’ is just wrong. We wouldn’t necessarily expect that.

 

Have to disagree with you there certainly not sticking up for Lennon but the game at ibrox when we won 2-0 was as much a controlled 1 sided affair as Gerrard s 2 last 2 matches at Celtic Park, Huns hardly had a shot on target, bossed him last 3 games but to say first game at ibrox was an even affair, that’s 100% untrue mate

 

I agree we were better that day but since then they have been far better than us. That last game we played was equivalent to a 5-0 for me. They could’ve scored more if they wanted but took it easy to prevent a reaction and it worked.

Lennon should’ve been removed after that match.

 

We keep saying that his future depends on his next result and, although there were so many games where we all thought right, that's it, he must go now, it never happened. I know the loss against Ross County was a hard one to take, but I think tomorrow's game against St. Johnstone will be a pivotal one and, if we don't win it this one, I think it will finally be the end of his reign. It's only an opinion guys and I could well be totally wrong (which I often are)and be on here tomorrow night getting pelters

 

Should have cleaned all the Showers in the first place ffs

 

Thing Huns have been able to do because Warburton, Pedro were such a shambles, Gerrard was given 2 seasons of winning absolutely nothing but there wasn’t a lot of pressure on him as the other 2 were so bad, anything was going to be an improvement and they realised chopping and changing every season was getting them no where so they just perserved for 2 seasons and unfortunately are reaping the benefit now
definitely think Lennon should go and a get all this we have winners in our team they’ve proved it

But a new manager coming in with the teams confidence and morale at an all time low, shipping goals for fun , 11 points behind granted 2 games in hand, Huns with a settled starting 11, confidence oozing and playing out their skin

Just think personally it would take 1 helluva of job to get the players playing at the top of their game again and turn the league around in 5 or 6 months

 

It can still be done, time to get behind the man he seems to be our only hope as they are not sacking him. All these tadgers saying they hope we get beat 10 off Milan and beat off St Johnstone so he gets the sack can go * themselves never Celtic fans * off to the hun chats lines.

 

Anything but a win tomorrow and he's done as is the 10 do not understand how he's still in a job after the most attrocious start to a season I can ever remember not just on results but on team and individual performances on managerial ability and lack of tactics and coaching, it is incredible the manager hasn't been sacked, hopefully we go on an unbeatable run now, he can't survive a draw or loss tomorrow

 

Agreed, so we better hope he wins because if we don’t Pep Gaurdiola would struggle to win the league if we don’t.