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Neil Lennon

Discussion in 'Ex Players' started by romeo9535, Apr 17, 2016.

Discuss Neil Lennon in the Ex Players area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. littlekennie

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    Fingers crossed he pulls it all back like someone said he doesn’t have to be tactically astute all he needs is guys in background that have that and compliment the strengths he does have

    A happy ending is we win the league and he heads off into the sunset with his head held high

    Only option we have because of the board


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  2. SteveyNico67

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    Slippy has won nothing
     
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  3. Random Review

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    People talk about Lenny's lack of tactical astuteness as if it were an established fact rather than a conclusion they are drawing based on quite a small quantity of low-quality evidence.

    What would constitute high-quality evidence? A leaked team talk, a leaked plan, one of his current (or recent) coaching team explicitly saying so (as opposed to a player from 7 years ago making a flippant comment).
     
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  4. oh bhoy

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  5. SteveyNico67

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    For me, summing everything up - tomorrow’s team selection will tell me a lot:


    - Bharky - just simply must be dropped. He’s awful. No positional sense and only touches the ball when he’s lifting it out the net.

    - Ajer - he’s got some defensive sensibilities but he’s very weak, poor positioning, dives in, and another reason we’re shipping so many soft goals

    - Julliene - error-strewn, powder-puff defender, gives away penalties all the time, 7 million ohhhh don’t get me started

    - Duffy - surely our worst defensive signing in history? A traffic cone would be better.

    - Elhamed - treading lightly, I like some of his play but he’s weak defensively on the right side and teams that target him are getting joy.



    It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that Lenny will play ALL the above.

    Should he against the Saints, I wouldn’t be surprised by another loss. We need to look beyond these poorer players and solidify the defence somehow in January.
     
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    Plastics.
     
  7. Crilly Hakuhna matata

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    This is why we say sack the board. They’ve failed us. I didn’t want Lennon to be given the job after the cup final. Thought the board would have Lennon stand in while we looked for a replacement and should have been looking for a replacement the last two months even
     
  8. JamesM09

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    They play football publicly twice a week mate, sometimes three times. I don’t know what harder evidence you would need.
     
  9. SuperZidane

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    Observation, for example, the last 3 games against Rangers* - they have been by far the better team tactically. If it wasn't for a truly world class performance by Forster and Laughing boy missing a penalty at Hampden, they would have won all 3.

    How many games this season have Celtic been ****? How many can you point to where Lennon has either got his tactics right from the kick off and/or adjusted the tactics to counter what the opposition are doing - personally I can't think of many.

    My recollection is that when he gets his tactics wrong from the start (which is the default position this season), he simply sits there like a rabbit in the headlights - when he does make substitutions, they are almost always like for like and invariably too late. This season, Ferencvaros is a classic example as was the game against Rangers* when they just * on us for 90 minutes.

    I don't honestly understand what point you are trying to make. Are you saying that he's really tactically astute and it's all the players fault or are we all too stupid to recognize this tactical astuteness?
     
  10. Gyp Rosetti Gold Member

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    I did but by * how wrong was I and loads of others, but what’s done is done. It’s how we move forward from here and it looks utterly pathetic from our board, keeping a failed manager on to spite the fans and further sabotaging our season is lunacy.
     
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  11. Jeffrey

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    There’s only one Neil Rennon
     
  12. Crilly Hakuhna matata

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    And that’s it 100%. They’re literally keeping him on now to spite fans, no other explanation for it. His record right now is worse than deilas. Even though deilas football wasn’t the best I was still confident going into matches against ross county ffs. What’s it gonna take for them to change like? Pathetic
     
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    But what is it hard evidence of? It's certainly hard evidence that Lennon is not doing a good job this season; but you can't really count it as hard evidence of tactical ineptitude, because:

    (a) there are any number of ways he could be * this season up
    (b) of those ways, tactical ineptitude is one of the less likely ones, because you'd expect that to affect every one of the half dozen or so seasons Lenny has managed us and, in fact, it hasn't.
     
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  14. neilly1987 Do I look happy? Do I look settled? Gold Member

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    You kidding on man? Have you not watched us this season, don't think we have played well for a cumulative 90mins all season, his subs, or lack of, and playing with a midfielder up front and getting us * out of Europe just for starters.
     
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    Gerrard also outfoxed Rodgers. Is Rodgers tactically inept? I think there's quite a bit of very hard evidence that Lennon is no tactical genius, not even on the level of Gerrard, let alone Rodgers; but that's not evidence that he's tactically inept.

    Rangers have been punching well above their weight in Europe for 2 seasons now. That suggests that Gerrard is either pretty good tactically or that he really does have Rafa and Klopp on speed dial. So he's outfoxed Lenny, so what? That just means Lenny is a mediocre tactician, it's not hard evidence that he's tactically incompetent.

    As for what I'm trying to say, you know fine well it's not that suggestion in bold. I'm not even saying anymore that you are wrong to say Lenny is tactically inept (I still think he isn't, but I'm not as sure as I was a couple of months ago). What I'm asking is why the standards of evidence needed to criticise Neil Lennon are and always have been so much lower than for most people. It's really blatant that this is the case for us in general and I wonder why.
     
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    Lenny has done a bad job this season. Only an idiot could deny that at this point. That doesn't necessarily mean he's a bad tactician or even a bad coach. See my reply to JamesM09.
     
  17. thailandceltic From Immigration to Domination

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    Stop mate... he played with no strikers in a one off Champions league qualifier at home. Genius...Should of been sacked for that alone.

    Don't even need to point at the rest its been listed by someone else...its a long list
     
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  18. Officer Doofy Come to me, human man Gold Member

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    He is, though.

    You can write as many essays in response to people as you want, and talk yourself round in circles like you always do. It doesn’t change the fact that it’s blindingly obvious that Lennon is not a good tactician, or a good coach.

    It’s December and he can’t settle on a formation or lineup. He constantly fails to make the right changes in personnel and shape in game to change the outcome of a match. He’s failed to change our system against the huns despite the same thing happening each time.

    For the last few months we’ve been pathetic at defending set pieces, and we regularly get done on the counter attack. And every single player in his squad has either failed to improve or has simply regressed in the last 18 months. If that isn’t the sign of a bad coach then I’m not sure what is.
     
  19. Gyp Rosetti Gold Member

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    C’mon mate the games up, he doesn’t even go over videos studying our opponents. He * it at Bolton and Hibs and was lucky enough to get a second chance at us, I know you will defend him to the death but he is finished it’s just a matter of time.
     
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  20. FrankMcCallum

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    The high-quality evidence is right in front of our eyes every time we lose the ball.

    You see how well a team are coached when they are dispossessed. We look like a team of under 12s who run back when we lose it and run forward when we have it. No one in position anticipating anything.

    Basic things like players movement off the ball should all be synchronised as they’ve shadowed attacking phases in training every day.

    Our organisation from set pieces is shambolic, in both boxes.

    Almost every aspect of our play is lacking due to our sad excuse of a coaching team.