Neil Lennon

You seriously misunderstand our standing as a club.
Selling Celtic to an up and coming player or manager is much in the same. Many will not think about the move til it is presented to them, but when it is, the idea of a decent pay day, followed by trophy success, playing in Europe and then a stepping stone on to elsewhere(commonly England, but not always), is a big appeal.

Bundesliga head coaches from Dortmund, Bayern, Leipzig are not going to pay us much attention, same as coaches at Milan, Lazio, Sevilla, Madrid, PSG, Lyon, Spurs, etc...but they are never really attainable anyway, same as their players (within reason).

What we can do is offer guys at mid table clubs, who may see themselves struggling to get a successful run going, we can offer them a chance to prove they are a winner.
We most certainly may not poach a manager directly from another club on the same or higher level, but there is a massive list of managers out of work, or who have taken a percieved step down, who are capable of that level.

Financially we are miles behind the EPL and most TOP teams in Europe, but we arent a diddy club - not yet.

Any manager that PSV, Ajax, Berlin, Valencia, St Ettiene, Betis etc are capable of getting, so are we! Of course the SPFL is not as glamourous, and we will need to lure them in with a bigger pay day, but by * it can be done!

Mention of Betis, they just brought in Pellegrini for * sake! A decent outfit no doubt, but traditionally (basically not this season) we should be very confident of coming up against a Betis side.

 

Yep well put.... Celtic to Ratso was an interesting distraction until something "better" came along..... well Im afraid the hard reality is anything in the EPL is better than Celtic and people better believe it and get used to being used as a stepping stone...players did it constantly and now managers do it.....................its the way of the world or the £'s

 

For me if Brown is playing he needs runners with energy in midfield with him. That is not Ntcham. The 2 of them should never be in the same midfield (barring an injury crisis) as far as I'm concerned. I suspect Turnbull could be a good foil for Brown, but I've not seen anywhere near enough of him yet to know if that actually works in practice.

But until Lenny starts playing our best players in their best positions, regardless of who that means gets dropped, even if that's Brown, or even CalMac at times, and not rejigging formations to force all our midfielders in the same starting 11, we are going to struggle. We should have options of playing different midfields if the games are likely to be open, compared to playing against a team that sits in their 6 yard box and tries to hit on the counter, not just playing the same against both. Brown in the latter type of game is wasted for me as either he sits too deep and can't affect the game, or he's too high up the pitch and gets caught out for pace with balls over the top.

 

I think he is correct in wot he's saying , media are loving a bit of a stumble , and they are going to town on negatives spewd out from celtic followers .
He has also come out and responded in the correct manner by backing players , but at the end of the day no matter wot way he comes out to express its gonna be wrong, ain't it ?
There is a campaign to get rid and it very evident in here , the damage will come from ourselves ,the risk of change is as great and the pressure of creating history to us is causing us to play in a way that's not free flowing, fear of failure will transfer from management to players definitely , and the only way we will start to play freely is if its no longer possible to win the league . I hope we don't get to that point .

 

I swear after the rat * off, we made noise about following in a similar project to that of Bayern - obviously on our own level - where we was going to basically hire Head Coaches who more aligned with our club built coaching team, so that we never ended up having a situation where a manager, like the rat, ups and takes half the staff with him again.

I like this idea, specially with a DoF who understands how this works and that he is not the "main man". I believe Hammond is some sort of inbetween that and a Chief Scout.
But * knows why we haven't done it yet, because surely to * the idea wasnt to do this and basically employ your pals kid (Strachan) and continue to promote a charity case (sounds very harsh on Kennedy I know).
I expected us to be seeking out some of the best coaches in the Uk and abroad that we could find. Gavin Strachan surely to * is not the level of our ambition here, because it most certainly is way below the level of coach needed and which we can acquire.

 

Merely using ronny as an example that changing to a manager like that is no guarantee of improvement. I was in no way making a "ludicrous argument" that because ronny "failed" all else would too. Actually not making any argument for or against lennon yet. BTW i did not say ronny failed, just that he was no more successful than what went previous to him. If anything it was you making a "ludicrous" statement that plucking any manager from various European leagues would be guaranteed to result in an instant improvement.

A manager that has just won the Austrian Bundesliga is absolutely not coming to manage us in Scotland, end of.

A manager that just won the Swiss league with Basel? Maybe, at the time, if he had no other offers. The fact he finished a respectable 11 with his next club is also no guarantee he could simply pick up the reigns here, in this unique situation and go on to turn it around.

 

No, it’s no guarantee we beat anyone. That’s how bad it is at the moment.

I can’t believe how little you care about Sunday’s game. Possibly the only Celtic fan I’m aware of that would say “it’s not the end of the world”. Tin pot stuff.

 

Aberdeen fans dont even think they are a good team this season so not sure why Some Celtic fans seem to think they are

 

A few are absolute nutters on here, blind faith doesnt even cut it, it is pure deluded nonsense.
Claims he is certain we will beat St Mirren for those 3 points, then goes on to list the 6 transfers and say they are all * basically....at least 5 of them start every game! Not sure how any of them manage to logically think this through.
Our players who play are *....but blindly assume we will beat everyone and just get good.

 

Ah right aye.

We will win the rest of our games in the League, Europe and domestic cups too so I guess we’ve won the Quadruple already?

Well thank * for that.

 

I don’t even guarantee we beat teams when we are in good form, never mind this form.

He’s giving Aberdeen that much respect that he doesn’t mind losing against them on Sunday, but St Mirren aren’t even a thought. Despite already giving us trouble this season.

 

Simple solution for the short and long term would be to bring Rangnick in until the end of the season and let him take over as DOF next season and let him build the system where we’re finding our own Nagelsmann, Rose, Schmidt, Marsch etc.

 

If anyone on here thinks that on current form, looking at a dejected manager, players coming out contradicting what manager said as well as the sheer * we've produced this season is evidence enough to just assume 3 points is in the bag against likes of st mirren.

Please, seek immediate medical assistance as your brain has stopped working and/or your vision is impaired severely.

The arrogance in light of our current situation is frankly absurd

 

Believe me I'd like to be proven wrong but I just don't think we're the lure some people think we are. Pellegrini is a Spanish speaker with poor English and Spain is a more attractive country and league for him. We don't have the advantages most of these leagues/countries have.

 

I neither stated, nor implied that.

I disagree, but I never claimed that either.

Again, I never said that.

Comparable clubs on the continent are able to consistently identify capable managers and coaches, even before they have earned the kind of reputation that puts them on the radar of clubs in the top-five leagues, because they work diligently to identify the best candidates available. They never appoint someone because he is a 'good [insert team name] man'.

 

Spain also has a much bigger pool of young local talent to tap into than Scotland for obvious reasons and he'll have a much easier time getting promising youngsters from South America to go there too.

 

This thread is heartbreaking lately.

A lot of folk who would rather be right than see a Celtic legend succeed if they had to choose.

 

Basel and RB Salzburg are comparable clubs financially, their Leagues are of a better standard overall than Scotland.

If a manager is successful at either of those clubs then they aren't coming to Celtic.

Fauvre is on €7.5m per annum at Dortmund, Rose is on €3.5m at Gladbach. Added to that higher transfer & wage budgets, better standard of League, more TV exposure.

I agree that we could be more ambitious and cast the net further in our searches but those were never realistic appointments.

Before any ambitious manager comes to our club there will need to be a complete shake up of how we do things and as some of those are diametrically opposed - at least initially - to the PLC aims of turning profits, I'm very pessimistic that they'll happen.

 

That’s not true.

 

This is what it feels like. Similar to when Strachan was manager. The Sevco fans will be loving it.