Neil Lennon

Thing is, he's doing a lot of things that fans have wanted to see.
3-5-2 worked so well for us tail end of last season. Folk had that as their suggested formation for most matches as well.

Changed to a back 4 and looked better. We hoped he would stick with it next game and he did.

Using subs more often. Dropped brown a few times.

So it's not like he isn't trying different things.. it just seems like he can't find a way to keep the players focused or instil some confidence.

 

I think you're wrong if you think we can compete with any Bundesliga team. Seriously who's going to choose Scotland over the Bundesliga. Even one of the smaller clubs over there if they do well can be a stepping stone to bigger things. Your view of Celtic's standing in Europe I think is way off the mark. We got Rodgers because he was out of work, had some feeling for the club, had a connection with DD and I think he just thought it would be an interesting distraction until something better came along. No manager in the continent fits that profile.

 

we have looked every bit as poor with brown in the team

 

You’ve just made my point.

 

I may be wrong here, but didn't we play the rescheduled game against St Mirren and it is Aberdeen we still have to play in our game in hand?

 

Correct although St Mirren will be another postponed game which was due to be played this weekend.

 

Aye the game in hand is Aberdeen at Parkhead

 

Lenny sounding like himself again, has to be a good thing.

 

Was just about to ssy this sounds feisty defending the players i think they are playing for him we have just been disrupted so much

 

He has not started 2 out of the 15 games.

We have been utter dug * in at least 11 of those other games that he was involved in.

 

We've not actually played 2 strikers much at all so far this season its been either Christie or Elyounoussi just off one striker.. This hasn't worked..

Edouard and Griff/Ajeti up top in a 3-5-2 can definitely work.

 

My point is that your point is unrealistic. We'll not agree so best to agree to disagree. When we do get a new manager it will be a gamble whoever and we get and whatever their background is. It's hard to predict who is going to be successful. No-one thought Jansen was a great appt and the huns thought they had the best manager on the planet when they got Le Guen. We'll just have to support whoever comes in when the time comes.

 

Aye.

We couldn’t get the Union Berlin manager.

 

Our whole structure needs a revamp tho, hopefully after securing the 10..

We should go down the Director of Football route and revamp the whole footballing operation.. Then employ coaches for 3/4 season and when then move on our structure remains vibrant.. We need a brand new vision.

Our structure at the moment with PL carrying out pseudo footballing roles is archaic and not attractive to the best up and coming coaches. And doesn't achieve any sustainability for us.

It needs to change whether we secure the 10 or not. No point having innovation in first team coaching when they're hamstrung by an outdated footballing operation.

 

You seriously misunderstand our standing as a club.
Selling Celtic to an up and coming player or manager is much in the same. Many will not think about the move til it is presented to them, but when it is, the idea of a decent pay day, followed by trophy success, playing in Europe and then a stepping stone on to elsewhere(commonly England, but not always), is a big appeal.

Bundesliga head coaches from Dortmund, Bayern, Leipzig are not going to pay us much attention, same as coaches at Milan, Lazio, Sevilla, Madrid, PSG, Lyon, Spurs, etc...but they are never really attainable anyway, same as their players (within reason).

What we can do is offer guys at mid table clubs, who may see themselves struggling to get a successful run going, we can offer them a chance to prove they are a winner.
We most certainly may not poach a manager directly from another club on the same or higher level, but there is a massive list of managers out of work, or who have taken a percieved step down, who are capable of that level.

Financially we are miles behind the EPL and most TOP teams in Europe, but we arent a diddy club - not yet.

Any manager that PSV, Ajax, Berlin, Valencia, St Ettiene, Betis etc are capable of getting, so are we! Of course the SPFL is not as glamourous, and we will need to lure them in with a bigger pay day, but by * it can be done!

Mention of Betis, they just brought in Pellegrini for * sake! A decent outfit no doubt, but traditionally (basically not this season) we should be very confident of coming up against a Betis side.

 

Yep well put.... Celtic to Ratso was an interesting distraction until something "better" came along..... well Im afraid the hard reality is anything in the EPL is better than Celtic and people better believe it and get used to being used as a stepping stone...players did it constantly and now managers do it.....................its the way of the world or the £'s

 

For me if Brown is playing he needs runners with energy in midfield with him. That is not Ntcham. The 2 of them should never be in the same midfield (barring an injury crisis) as far as I'm concerned. I suspect Turnbull could be a good foil for Brown, but I've not seen anywhere near enough of him yet to know if that actually works in practice.

But until Lenny starts playing our best players in their best positions, regardless of who that means gets dropped, even if that's Brown, or even CalMac at times, and not rejigging formations to force all our midfielders in the same starting 11, we are going to struggle. We should have options of playing different midfields if the games are likely to be open, compared to playing against a team that sits in their 6 yard box and tries to hit on the counter, not just playing the same against both. Brown in the latter type of game is wasted for me as either he sits too deep and can't affect the game, or he's too high up the pitch and gets caught out for pace with balls over the top.

 

I think he is correct in wot he's saying , media are loving a bit of a stumble , and they are going to town on negatives spewd out from celtic followers .
He has also come out and responded in the correct manner by backing players , but at the end of the day no matter wot way he comes out to express its gonna be wrong, ain't it ?
There is a campaign to get rid and it very evident in here , the damage will come from ourselves ,the risk of change is as great and the pressure of creating history to us is causing us to play in a way that's not free flowing, fear of failure will transfer from management to players definitely , and the only way we will start to play freely is if its no longer possible to win the league . I hope we don't get to that point .

 

I swear after the rat * off, we made noise about following in a similar project to that of Bayern - obviously on our own level - where we was going to basically hire Head Coaches who more aligned with our club built coaching team, so that we never ended up having a situation where a manager, like the rat, ups and takes half the staff with him again.

I like this idea, specially with a DoF who understands how this works and that he is not the "main man". I believe Hammond is some sort of inbetween that and a Chief Scout.
But * knows why we haven't done it yet, because surely to * the idea wasnt to do this and basically employ your pals kid (Strachan) and continue to promote a charity case (sounds very harsh on Kennedy I know).
I expected us to be seeking out some of the best coaches in the Uk and abroad that we could find. Gavin Strachan surely to * is not the level of our ambition here, because it most certainly is way below the level of coach needed and which we can acquire.

 

Merely using ronny as an example that changing to a manager like that is no guarantee of improvement. I was in no way making a "ludicrous argument" that because ronny "failed" all else would too. Actually not making any argument for or against lennon yet. BTW i did not say ronny failed, just that he was no more successful than what went previous to him. If anything it was you making a "ludicrous" statement that plucking any manager from various European leagues would be guaranteed to result in an instant improvement.

A manager that has just won the Austrian Bundesliga is absolutely not coming to manage us in Scotland, end of.

A manager that just won the Swiss league with Basel? Maybe, at the time, if he had no other offers. The fact he finished a respectable 11 with his next club is also no guarantee he could simply pick up the reigns here, in this unique situation and go on to turn it around.