Neil Lennon

Results are king for me at the moment, we’ve a patchworked team, half the big players being injured, just coming back from injury, short term loans to try and mask issues that we have, the full coaching staff being ripped out midway through the season and probably the most competitive level of football we’ve had across the full league we’ve had in * years. Steady the ship just now, get the results, rebuild in the summer.

 

Naw. You literally just said Rodgers leaving should have little to no effext on our football.

Which is * insane.

 

For me, if Lennon wants to get the job full-time, then he must deliver two very resounding victories over the Klan in the two remaining games against them (4-5 goal margins like the Snake did) and win the treble comfortably.

Unless that is delivered, it won't be enough for me. The football is already going backwards, and whilst I detest the Snake as a man, there has been a horrific amount of revisionism going on regarding his managerial/coaching abilities - which were near universally recognized as outstanding while he was with us.

 

If the results include 4 points against the Huns and a win in the Scottish Cup final I agree with you.

 

Exactly my point mate. Just do what we need to do. The teams been on its last legs this season, our injuries have been horrific, then with a figure as giant as Rodgers within the club leaving... It’s going to have a major effect. Just win. Everything else can come after that.

 

My heart says Lenny but my head says we need someone better.
But.
We could end up with someone technically better but with no heart.
Remember Brendan ?.

 

It is the business end of the season and results are all that matter.

But if we'd failed to take advantage of a double Hun slip up by recording two 0-0 results, that would be unacceptable and we almost had that..

He doesn't have much time to make the job his own, so the performances need to come too, the same as anyone who's Celtic manager.

 

Rodgers philosophy allowed for a lot of individual complacency. He was far too dogmatic tactically. There is no doubt the importance of tactics and that, overall, Rodgers' philosophy worked well at Celtic, domestically at least.
The problem with any dogma comes when it is tested. The players were trained to believe in the philosophy so much that individual responsibility was reneged. I think a lot of those individual performances today were a hangover from that, with the transition added in. It is clear that Lenny wants more urgency, I feel that was the main reason Hayes was brought on and I feel that substitution was vindicated.

It isn't just in recent games that we have lacked conviction, I would argue we have done in the vast majority of away games this season. It seems you have completely forgotten the performance in Celtic's last away league game under Rodgers, the 1-0 win at Kilmarnock that was completely devoid of conviction. It was a worse performance than today. You can argue about the Killie pitch and that they area better team, but Dundee are fighting for their lives and we created enough chances to have won the game earlier.

The reason there is a little bit of confusion about how our style right now is as a result of transition. Most Celtic supporters, and I was certainly one, were incredibly frustrated at our insistence at only playing one way under Rodgers. Lennon is trying to introduce some directness in to our play and a break away from the pointless lateral passing that has blighted our games, not to mention the expectation that our goalkeeper be Franz Beckenbauer. To move away from that isn't easy, but he has achieved it with three wins and a draw from four difficult games. In fact, the game we had most to be annoyed at Lenny was Aberdeen at home, where there was a lot more to criticise, I feel, than today. Most of the issues today can be excused by what I have written above. We obviously can't continue to perform in this matter, but I find the hyperbole a bit silly.

 

Need heart to get those results in Europe we need

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No, I never said that.

I literally said this:

I then qualified that by observing that even when Rodgers' sides played poorly, his philosophy was evident, and noted my disappointment that, in my opinion, we no longer have a discernible identity, regardless of performance (the main thrust of my post).

I have stated elsewhere on this forum that Rodgers' exit will have a material effect on performances and results (and, in any case, it is self-evident), and I have no problem with that whatsoever.

 

We almost had that but crucially, we didn’t. I can remember the days that when we as a club showed a reseliency to go 10 points ahead in a very difficult time/situation for the club we were lauded for it. * the planning ahead mate, * focusing on ‘making the job his own’, game by game - just win. Anything else we can sort in the summer. We haven’t showed any forward planning this season, it’s got us in this situation, so we’ll need to just deal with that just now.

Until the summer anyway. If we show that mindset in the summer I’ll be * furious.

 

The ‘philosophy’ is the football mate. If you think that Rodgers leaving will have “little to no effect” on that, then yer off yer nut. Simple as that.

 

Wow.....not asking for much there.....seems like you don't want Lenny then !!

Rather than the football going backwards.....have our opponents not just figured out our 'usual' system of play and set up not to get beat by it.....they all seem to be pressing us high off the ball, man marking and doubling up on our potential goal threats......this happened a lot during the BR tenure too.

On that showing today, it really is a mountain to climb to convince fans that Lenny's the man for the 10IAR 'run in'....but he's exactly who I want to see in charge over the next phase of our history.....but I'm a bit of a traditionalist and very much see the future through green tinted glasses so maybe it's a head/heart thing for me.

 

You have moved the goalposts there, but okay.

 

Not in the slightest, if you think Rodgers leaving will have ‘little or no effect’ on anything that he done while at the club you don’t understand the job he done.

 

Tbh I don't think it is asking for much.

The previous manager had already won 1 part of the treble, and Lennon inherited a squad (by far the best in the country) that was already 8 points clear of 2nd place having beaten Kilmarnock to 'win the league at Rugby Park' as the song goes.

So in that context, realistically, to win the treble, all he has to do is to win the three cup ties (the QF, the SF and the Final of the Scottish Cup)

I'm sure there are other managers in this league, perhaps someone like Leveine or McInness, who could see out a league that is all but done, and hope to win three cup ties (with the best squad in the country) but that doesn't mean they should get the job.

Therefore, for Lennon to get it, he has to do more than simply crawl across the line. We need big performances in big games with resounding big wins.

 

People asking a guy to come in and improve in what we had before, with next to no time to implement his own....well anything of his own actually, are being unrealistic.

 

Are people just forgetting how brutal we were under Rodgers for the majority of this season, espcially away from? At least Lennon has got us winning consistently away.

Lennon will get us ten in a row I have absolutely no doubt about that. If we go get a foreign manager it's a much bigger risk in my opinion.