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Brendan Fraudgers!

Discussion in 'World Football' started by Mr. Slippyfist, May 20, 2016.

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  1. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    Aye, I agree. Given the amount of evidently * players he's brought in he'd be wise to stop saying that line.
     
  2. Mince.Charming

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    It's obvious our managers aren't being backed properly and changes need made on the board. Just look at the Mcginn transfer in the summer for an example of this.

    But talking about it costing big money to replace players is a lot of *.
    We got Lustig from Rosenborg for free. Scout these * leagues again.
    Even got Adam Mathews for a few hundred grand.
     
  3. Officer Doofy Come to me, human man Gold Member

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    Exactly.

    They may not have been his first picks (albeit I would argue that point in the case of those two)...but then it comes back to - why * sign them then?

    If he can’t get his first or second choice, but plumps for third or fourth choice then he’s doing exactly what he says he doesn’t want to do - buying players for the sake of it.

    It seems to be either aiming for players who are nost likely out of our price range, or scraping the barrel with the likes of Hayes and Hendry etc. Do some * scouting and pick up players from the continent at £2-4m a pop. Bayo is a start - thanks to Kolo.
     
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  4. M 67

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    Under 2m for Hinkel as well
     
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  5. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    Aye. It's infuriating. Our recruitment structure under John Park - while not flawless - makes our current set-up look absolutely *.
     
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    Mind the good old days when we used to sing hymns about him :98:
     
  7. Peej Gold Member Gold Member

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    If we aren't getting our first or second choice centre back or right backs, then it begs the question, what happened to 3rd, 4th, 5th........12th, 13th..... Etc

    If compper, Hendry etc are our 3rd or 4th choice, then either the standard wasn't very high, or we've seriously missed a big * chunk of world footballers.

    You don't say "wouldn't mind signing Messi or aguero" realise they aren't attainable and end up with a Daryl Murphy or some nonsense.

    Extreme, but there clearly must be a host of other talent in between.

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  8. Blochairnbhoy

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    Got to agree has Congerton left his passport in Germany and he can only go between Scotland and there!
     
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  9. Mince.Charming

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    It was the strikers that let him down. The hardest position to fill for a couple of million tbh. That's where you need to spend a bit more, especially replacing players like Hooper and Dembele. You can't tell me there isn't a right back in scandanavia, Croatia etc for at maximum 4 million.
     
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  10. Jeremie Frimpong

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    It is clear that Rodgers is unable or unwilling to follow a sensible player recruitment policy for a club with modest continental ambitions and limited finances.

    He appears, at times, to think that we have a lower ceiling than we actually do; many of his signings have no place at a club that wishes to emulate the success in European competition of clubs with similar aspirations and constraints (see Red Bull Salzburg).

    On the other hand, some of his reported transfer targets are valued at £8m or more. We all want to see investment, but that seems imprudent to me, given our recent failings in the transfer market.

    His time in English football has perhaps skewed his perceptions.

    We all know what we should be doing.
     
  11. Jeremie Frimpong

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    I think that we need to appoint a director of football who can execute that strategy, or else part ways with Rodgers.
     
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  12. Blochairnbhoy

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    How do you justify parting ways with a manager who has won 7 out of 7 trophies has 2 UCL campaigns bring in over £65m. Is currently top of league and on course for another treble and last 32 of EL?
     
  13. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    Aye, let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. The recruitment hasn't been anywhere near good enough but it's not worth parting ways with our most successful manager since Stein.

    If and when we win 8 in a row, if Rodgers is staying we should have a sit down meeting with Desmond, the board, scouting & management analysing our current system and appraising successes and failures then come out with a proper, coherent strategy going forward. Agree before the meeting(s) that anything said within those 4 walls stays there and that there will be no fall-out from giving constructive criticism.

    Egos would have to be bruised on all sides to hear some harsh truths but if it was done in a proper, constructive manner we'd come out from with a clearer, more unified approach to recruitment rather than the disjointed system we have right now.
     
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    I think that he is a fantastic coach, but the quality of our squad has declined season-on-season under his stewardship, and he has given no indication that he is capable of arresting that decline, let alone reversing it, during this transfer window, or any previous one.

    Why should the next transfer window be different?

    All things being equal, we will begin the summer with this backline:

    Ralston
    Duffy
    Ajer
    Hendry
    Compper
    Šimunović
    Tierney
    Miller

    Do you believe that the above backline can challenge for a Scottish record-equalling ninth consecutive title?

    Something has to give.

    A director of football may be the answer.
     
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  15. Valhalla Thus spoke Batistuta.

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    Still find it baffling some people think the answer is flinging more money Rodgers way and claiming he hasn’t been backed.
     
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    The defence has been abandoned I will agree with you in terms of looking at next season! Boyata for some reason will see the season out and why he wasn’t overruled when he said we wouldn’t accept £9m for him is baffling.
     
  17. Valhalla Thus spoke Batistuta.

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    This. How can anyone not see the problems staring them in the face.

    The squads an absolute mess and if things keep going the way they are it’ll take years to fix it.

    That’s not even talking about the performances on the pitch that have been brutal for the last 12 months or so apart from a 6-7 week period where we lucked into a team because of injuries.
     
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  18. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    The truth is somewhere between though.

    It's undeniable that he's wasted a lot of cash on guys that have contributed nothing but it's evident he wasn't backed in the summer passed. We lost Dembele, Armstrong & Roberts and replaced them with 2 bosmans and 2 loans.

    Of course he must be held accountable for poor signings but he also has to be given credit for not only an unprecedented level of success (Double Treble & 2 successive UCL qualifications) but also turning round the fortunes of several players at the club.

    He deserved to be backed with what were relatively modest requests in comparison to the money he has brought into the club.

    If we had signed Schar, Piccini and McGinn we'd likely have qualified for the Champions League, be £40 million richer, be in a position to sell Boyata for a ludicrous £9 million bid, have a much happier manager who felt like his ambition was being matched and have a healthier squad dynamic with increased competition.
     
  19. Jeremie Frimpong

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    This is my concern.

    Rodgers has been here for six transfer windows, yet most of his regular starters were inherited from Deila or Lennon.

    There will be a changing of the guard next season: we are set to lose at least five regular starters.

    If we repeat our mistakes in the transfer market and continue to decline while others improve, we will be overtaken; there is no escaping that fact.
     
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  20. Valhalla Thus spoke Batistuta.

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    Completely disagree. We shouldn’t just give him money because of the money we’ve made is far more.

    Everyone can see McKenna isn’t anywhere near good enough for Celtic. Should we let him pay the £7m for him because he’s made us money even though every single person but Rodgers knows it’d be a mistake?

    He did get backed. He spent £9m on Edouard which broke our transfer record by about 50%. The board rejected £9m for Boyata and £20m for Dembele simply because Rodgers said we hadn’t been looking for players in that position and didn’t have any replacements lined up. Dembele only ended up leaving because of his tweets.

    Schar Piccini and McGinn have shown * all to say that they’d have made any improvement.

    Rodgers can talk about ambition all he wants but he’s shown absolutely nothing to say he’s got the talent to match his ambition.(competing in the CL knockouts).

    His record in Europe for Liverpool and us is embarrassing.