Brendan Fraudgers!

Who would you rather have then?

 

Ofcourse we cant expect to do well in Europe every year and Brendan nor lenny can be faulted on their performances in qualifiers if they are being compared.

But against the big boys its night and day in favour of lenny and was done so with a type of football Brendan put down in his pre game interview tonight. Theres just something not right there when brendan is a better manager.

 

It’s not night and day for me.. any Celtic manager would encounter the exact same problems as BR or Lenny for that matter.. do you recall Lenny last CL campaign?

Anyway, BR stuborness is Europe is frustrating and I’m not shying away from that, but would I swap him? Naw..

 

Still got the best squad to sweep all domestically wich is the main goal , but how can you expect him to improve us in europe if key targets were not signed , lack of backing in the summer there not only that to progress in europe but loss of 3 big players too especially Dembele.

 

Was a big improvement on the Salzburg performance. First half hour we were looking comfortable. Still sloppy in midfield at times (Ntcham big culprit for this, way too casual), but to me it showed Brendan had thought about things and tweaked things. He's learning.

We've also been horrendously unlucky with injuries to key players in Europe this season. Some of our results could have been quite different otherwise.

And that's without mentioning the lack of investment. We did stand still as Brendan said. It's frustrating as a fan but far more frustrating for a manager. Brendan has to effectively write off europe this season and a lot of the players getting this experience won't be here next season.

We'll see what happens in Jan. If there's not a statement of intent with some big signings, Brendan will go and rightly so.

He's not blameless by any means, but it's hard enough in Europe without being hamstrung.

 

Money dictates football we will win the league again and probably man city will theirs too because well they have the most resources money, investment and better players. even if have to buy more in january, sure on the odd chance you get a leicester but its very rare.

Same in europe we get the odd good night against a barca or a man city on the off chance but 9/10 they will win. leipzig and salsburg have better squads than we do and those games have went to form.

 

Wasn’t expecting any positive result last night to be fair.

Poor Euro record however.

 

Did you expect to win in Germany?

You don't want him chased because we won't get a better manager in, that's what you're saying right? On paper and in reality what he has achieved has been remarkable, Europe has been a

Europe has been a mixed bag disappointing at times yes..

In reality and on paper what he's achieved with us has been remarkable, you don't want him chased rightly so because of what he has achieved, as we couldn't get better..

In a nutshell?

 

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What narrative is this?

 

Failed to win league and then failed in CL & EL qualification in the same season..

My main point is he's not beyond criticism, however every decent Celtic manager has encountered the same issues..

 

Our record away from home in Europe has hardly changed since MON was here.

How many games have we won away from home in European proper since the Seville final? 3? 4? 5?.

Football as whole is evolving in Europe faster then it probably ever has at any other point in the last 10 years.

It's no surprise we are being left behind, Leipzig were barely a * glint in some * eye 10 years ago. That should tell you all you need to know rather then try lay blame at Rodgers.

 

Alot of comparison between Rodgers/Lennon & their records in Europe. For me Lennon was more attuned to our deficiencies and set us up accordingly, whereas Rodgers leaves us wide open. This Rodgers team is never getting a stubborn victory over Barcelona but then again I couldn't see a Lennon team going down to City and going toe to toe. The key point for me is that Lennon was never backed (or paid for that matter) to the level that Rodgers has been & yet I think his sides performed to a higher standard. Rodgers imo has actually taken us backwards in Europe. For everyone saying 'what do you expect', I would say they should take a look at a team like Salzburg, how much they cost to put together and yet look at how they perform. With everyone in here praising the great managerial abilities of Rodgers, shouldn't we expect similar?

 

I was merely pointing out to a poster that Neil Lennon had given us more than just one good night. You appeared to think I was using this as tool to compare or criticize Rodgers, I wasn't.

Truethfully, I'm actually not Rodgers biggest fan and i do have some issues with him but losing away to a bundesliga side isnt one of them.

Now I didn't see the game due to work so can't talk about the performance but i know there is no shame in losing in Germany so I have no problems with last night's result.

 

Positive first half hour, but collapsed as we normally do after the first goal. Even when I could see we had started the game OK, I just knew the * would fall out of us once we conceded a goal. It's a problem that has dogged us for years. It's a psychological thing, because there is no belief when we lose a goal that we can get back in the game.

Rodgers isn't blameless, but his strength isn't setting up a team not to lose. If we got a manager like that, we possibly wouldn't have seen some of the attacking football we've seen.

 

He has fell short by his own standards this season, but how can 2 x CL Qualification be step backwards from Ronny?

Is Lenny more pragmatic when playing superior opposition, I'd say aye.. is BR better in every other department, aye.. the man hasn't lost a domestic game that's mattered. Going to Hampden under Lenny was an absolute chore. Rodgers knows exactly how to prepare us for big games.

We are also only halfway though this EL campaign, win our next game and we are back in the mix..

 

I was simply pointing out to a previous poster that Neil Lennon had given us more than just one good night in Europe. JC appeared to think I was using this as an argument against Rodgers, I wasn't.

I admittedly do have some issues with BR but last night or away results in Europe, generally, isnt one. So if there was a narrative, I wasn't part of it.

 

You quoted my post with a head scratch and a question mark so I responded to that..

I honestly truly believe people should be careful what they wish for.. he's our most successful manager since Stein.. but not his biggest fan?