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Brendan Fraudgers!

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  1. Bertie Cauld

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    Personally I dont think we have hit a ceiling, over the next few years if we keep the same team together and add some quality in key positions I think we could be looking at an extended run in the Europa League beyond Christmas providing we get through our champions league group.
    Its all about the draw we get, we've been very unfortunate in recent years.
     
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  2. Twisty . Gold Member

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    I think this season will be our poorest under Rodgers, seems like a large transition is ongoing with him bringing more of his own players which might be why our starting 11 is constantly chopping and changing.

    We might still win the treble, which would still be a fantastic season. If he is given decent funds in the summer and can move on some of our wealer squad players, we should be a different animal next season.
     
  3. honda Gold Member Gold Member

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    Thats how good he is. Won the double going on to a treble, europe after Christmas and its his poorest season. What a man.
     
  4. Crilly Hakuhna matata

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    Celtic manager Brendan Rodgers insists Mikael Lustig will remain an integral part of his treble-chasing side for the rest of this season when he returns from a suspension now set to rule him out of the trip to Ibrox. (Scotsman)

    I know he can be stubborn with team selection of players that are playing * but what is going on here? Lustig has been garbage all season. If he doesn't drop him that is pure stupidity. And if we drop points in games due to a lustig mistake which is likely it is Brendan's fault
     
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  5. Bertie Cauld

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    He's not exactly going to slaughter his vice captain in public and say his celtic career is finished when we still have a lot to play for.
    Rodgers will know he needs replaced in the summer especially with him away at the world Cup.
     
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  6. Crilly Hakuhna matata

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    But would you not feel frustrated if he puts lustig back into the team this season where he is really struggling to do anything right except the odd sidewards/backwards pass? Cause I'm frustrated he's been allowed stay in the team for this long
     
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    Personally i would like see Ralston feature more instead of Lustig but if Rodgers feels that Lustigs experience and character is important for this run in then so be it.
     
  8. Crilly Hakuhna matata

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    So you would be frustrated or you wouldn't? I just want you to answer honestly cause yeah I trust Rodgers but in my opinion picking lustig is a mistake 19/20 times and a costly mistake as he hasn't many positives about his game the last year which is too long to keep giving him chances
     
  9. Bertie Cauld

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    Honestly, I would prefer if we played Ralston because I like him and see him as the future RB for years to come but it wouldn't be the end of the world for me if he stuck with Lustig for the remainder of the season due to his experience as we have a young defence and new GK.
    Hes not been at his best this season and should be moved on in the summer but I don't think playing him will impact what we will win this season.
     
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    Rodgers has yet to reach the height of the ceiling, set by MON, GS and NL.

    And he wont break it unless he changes his approach away in the CL.
     
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  11. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Martin O'Neill never reached the last 16 despite all the funds he had and the fact he had arguably our greatest ever player at his disposal. His record away in Europe was also questionable as well.

    He reached the Final in Seville of course but I think we would be harsh to judge Rodgers if he never manages that sort of feat. Football has changed as has our squad.

    Strachan and Lennon both managed it but as you hint at there yourself, the approached it in a different way. I don't think Rodgers will ever fully give up his philosophy but the home game against Zenit was a slight hint as to how we might set up in future. It wasn't completely attack attack attack.

    My overall point is that although I get why people always like to compare different managers' era's, and it will always be the case, it isn't as black and white as that, and so many things need to be taken into consideration rather than simply 'Well he managed it so so should he surely'.

    Rodgers is managing us at arguably the hardest time to compete in European football for Celtic, ever. Champions League wise anyway. You only need to look at teams like Basel and Besiktas thinking they'd done something brilliant by getting to the last 16, only to be mercilessly pumped rotten by the usual suspects. I honestly question if I'd rather have that or drop into the Europa, tbh.

    No doubt though, we do need to see some sort of progression next season.
     
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    I agree to en extent.

    But taking into consideration BRs performance thus far, i believe any suggestion that he has reached or is close to the glass ceiling is premature, as in europe our squad has not performed to its potential. Defensively we have been woeful In europe and theres no two ways about it.

    For me, the home game against Zenit cant be used as any kind of indicator as they hadnt played a competative game for so long. Id expect us to attack at home, its our away performances that have killed us and given the 3-0 defeat away to Zenit, it hasnt looked like improving.

    Whilst you make mention of circumstances being different under each managers time in charge, it could be argued that NL managed to achieve a win against one of the most dominant teams of recent times, without his top goalscorer at that time (Hooper). Also, of the team that started that game, only perhaps two of that team were bought for over £2m.

    Id argue that in the last 10-15 years, for any team outside of the top four leagues in europe to reach the last 16 is a huge achievement.
     
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    Whilst MON didnt make the last 16 in the CL, he achieve some of our greatest victories in the CL and some magnificent away results in the uefa cup and we also sustained a very long unbeaten run at CP. Away in europe, MONs teams competed and had it not been for a dive by the Juventus striker Amoruso in the 89th minute, that could have been very different.

    Id go as far to argue that it was Strachans away performances in europe that were worse.

    To add to this, in Seville, we competed and were only narrowly beaten by a Porto team who only a year later went on to win the CL convincingly, whilst being managed by one of the best managers in europe at that time.
     
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    Maybe, but I see absolutely no evidence to suggest that we will change our spending policy. I do think we may need to spend a bit more than usual just to give ourselves the best chance of qualifying given how many games we now need to play just to get there. But the benchmark will remain qualifying for the champions league rather than strengthening to go beyond that. Given how rigged the qualifying looks next season just getting there would be a good achievement.
     
  15. Maximillian

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    The last 2 * some call them "glamour" draws we have had in the CL never getting out they groups even if you throw 40mill at it..be alright if there was an AC Milan or someone like that in pot 1 or 2.

    In 2016 we had Barcelona and Man City whearas a group with Monaco /Bayer Leverkusen ..Napoli/Benfica would be more appealing.
     
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  16. Notorious Gold Member Gold Member

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    Spent the day with the Glasgow Rocks Basketball team

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  17. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    I'm not disagreeing with anything you as MON achieved some incredible results.

    But it goes back to what I was getting at about comparing different era's. That is coming up for neatly 20 year ago now and it is very difficult to try and compare for a number of reasons.

    It's always going to be a difficult one. In regards to the post above that one as well, Lennon's result against Barca was insane. But it was one of those once in a generation type results where everything on the night went right. Including Xavi making the only mistake I've ever witnessed him make. Lennon was also in charge in some pretty miserable European performances too, as well as domestically. It swings in roundabouts, results like that for a club like us can easily happen but we need a huge slice of luck on the night and everything to go our way. Rodgers just hasn't had that yet...he could have against Bayern or City..thats the closest we've came so far and we nearly done it without playing completely negative football.

    We do need to get more consistent in our performances though and that will probably require more pragmatism.

    I'm still confident we will pull off 2 or 3 special results under BR and if we do it playing attacking football it will be even sweeter.
     
  18. Crilly Hakuhna matata

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    So you wouldn't be frustrated with lustig being picked? How does his experience be help when he loses the ball and his man constantly? Must put fear in other defenders. Should have him around the squad but not in the team. May not impact what we win but could impact us dropping points. Could impact a loss in a cup game, I actually see him as that much of a liability over a year I've said I'll be patient cut him slack but time and time again he proves to be not good enough. I think Brendan needs to see that and sort the team now it's not as if we haven't got other players for his position. I think it would be stupid to play someone on such consistent bad form would you agree?
     
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  19. Mr. Slippyfist

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    O'Neill's record away from home in Europe (aside from the EC final run) was poor.

    That being said though, our home record (most of the time under O'Neill) was superb - hence why CP was dubbed "Fortress Parkhead".
     
  20. Bertie Cauld

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    Naw a wouldn't be frustrated if lustig played the rest of the season because as it stands we aren't exactly blessed with lots options that have had game time recently. Look i get it you dont like lustig fair enough but there is lots of players off form as well, would you drop Sinclair, Dembele, mcgregor, Jozo, DDV as well? We can't exactly drop every player that isnt playing 100%.