Brendan Fraudgers!

500 in a row

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Your simplification of things is bizarre. You nonchalantly talk about Brendan’s achievements last season as if he was only meeting expectation, the sheer entitlement and lack of appreciation of that is nauseating. To take Deila’s beleaguered squad and qualify for the UCL, to go undefeated over the course of a domestic season, to win the League Cup without conceding a single goal and to become only the 3rd manager in our history to win a treble was far and beyond the wildest dreams of most realistic Celtic supporters.

Regarding our performances in Europe, you can’t seriously argue that because of our financial advantage over the rest of Scottish Football that undefeated trebles are the expectation yet we should be expected to bridge comparative financial gulfs when taking on the biggest and best in Europe? That’s completely duplicitous.

 

Entitlement

That doesn't even deserve an dignified response when we are expected to win everything in Scotland.

The second part is pure nonsense. I don't expect to beat Elite sides but below that I do, like Anderlecht at Home, but no doubt you will find room for that be entitled.

 

Who expects us to win everything in Scotland? I certainly hope we do but to say it’s an expectation and therefore not winning a treble is somehow under-achieving is laughable.

Admittedly we were poor against Anderlecht but the hard work was already done in the away leg, all we had to do was avoid a 3 goal defeat to qualify for Europe beyond Christmas. In doing so as a 4th seed we were in fact over-achieving based on coefficients. Of course we should always be striving to improve performances and results but I don’t see that game as being in anyway indicative that we aren’t in an excellent place at the moment.

 

We once had a real wee * * on here called minimalist who liked to pretend he knew 'stuff'. The funny thing was he didn't know the difference between dividends and derivatives ... honestly he didn't
Can you imagine someone being that * stupid yet still trying to make on he knew what he was talking about ?
I often wonder what happened to him

 

Many Celtic supporters, like myself.

We should have won at Home against them and not doing it was disappointing, if we got knocked out it would have been unacceptable. You're reiterating a point we all knew going into the Anderlecht game about the goal difference. I don't know why that is your context of authority of saying we just needed to get through with the skin of our teeth like its justified, is this what you're insinuating because by the way you have posted it you're stating it does? To me and if you are that is an inferiority complex where at Celtic shouldn't be tolerated... But since the Board have indoctrinated a large proportion of the support into thinking that getting into the CL just for the remuneration purpose is somehow good enough while ironically never seeing the money going onto quality to advance us in Europe.

As for the coefficients we are 4th on the predication of the Board appointing Deila. It was our fault. I don't see how in any way that justifies what you're saying that it somehow makes us over-achieving? I mean, advancing from the Deila era I can give you that but over-achieving... Nonsense.

 

Well you’re certainly in the minority if that’s your expectation. When Tom rolled that winner in at Hampden I looked around me and it was sheer bedlam, absolute jubilation that we had made such history, certainly not an every season expectation.

Again you’re contradicting yourself, had we been knocked out it would have been unacceptable therefore Rodgers reigned in our usually cavalier style in order to make sure that didn’t happen. Was it pretty? No. Could we have played better? Yes. Did we ultimately achieve our goal of European Football after Christmas? Yes.

Have to chuckle at your comment re the board have indoctrinated the support to an inferiority complex; here we are with a distinct possibility of back-to-back trebles (a feat never managed by anyone before), 8 points ahead in the league, still in Europe after Christmas and posting record profits in the year end accounts yet here you are throwing your toys out the pram and greeting that it’s not enough. Give up following Celtic, if you don’t find any enjoyment in us right now then you never will.

 

You're certain? Well, since you are, send me the opinions of millions of our fans around the planet and see if I am in the minority. Otherwise you're simply perpetuating assumptions based on your own ignorance.

So, you agree then disagree for the sake of it when I broke down your coefficient context.

That statement is nothing more than an anecdote with fringe terminology without even looking at the structural value of doing it.

It's a fact that the rest of Scottish Football is no longer stronger than what it was 10-15 years ago. No other Scottish Club, except from us, has qualified in Europe.... In what? 4 seasons? I would be happy to be pointed out wrong here.

The competition is weak, we have no contiguous challenge and we are recording record breaking revenue. These are facts and can't be bothered diving into opinions.

With that, we have scrapped through to the Last 32 of the Europa League due to an inferior Club being under a transition period. Unless you want to conveniently deny Anderlecht weren't going through Managers?

Yes, we did do a fantastic Treble it was tremendous but im not arrogant enough to hide behind fringe terminology and use its context and apply it to our history as if it has the same degree as the others. This one we done was achieved on the weakest environment we have ever played in the SPFL with a record breaking turnover but fire away with you didn't expect us winning it.

* me, I should give up supporting Celtic because RegiBlinker on TC told me as I question the Board and don't accept the legal PLC obligation the Club is under. You're more about bypassing anticipated facts around the competitions we are under with it's strengths and weakness, financial reality and opportunity. Posting to me that when we have a current incompleteness at the Club that somehow I don't find it enjoyable and should support some other mob just reflects the textbook Board nonsense that's within the support. Don't even deny it either, you were first in this thread trying to justify DD lack of ambition.

 

Nobody expects us to win everything are you joking? Everyone I've talked to said back to back trebles would be a fantastic achievement. You're full of it. Yes we should have beaten Anderlect at home but by all accounts we shouldn't have beaten them away, so you win some you lose some. I'd say we're about on track for what I expected of us

I don't get your point, of course it's a business. A well run business, the exact opposite of Sevco's old venture. If we need funding I expect we'll get it but we're not getting to a European final with the resources we have available against the type of teams there now, even if we pumped all our cash into players. So you saying you watched MON get us to a European cup final means nothing. It'll take a lot of luck.

The only thing I'm unhappy about this season is Hearts obliterating us. Everything else is about what I expected of us, in fact I didn't expect us to be on track for another treble so I'm pretty happy with that.

 

@EndThePLC Did you miss this.^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

Confusion reigns.

 

I’ve addressed this point twice now, under this SPFL environment with no other Club that can even come near us - compared to it being 10-15 years ago - we are expected to win Trebles in this period right now. What’s so hard to fully comprehend that? We’ve done it, we should be doing it again this year. If we do it again this year should we do it again in a third attempt? We should, why shouldn’t we.

I canny be * breaking down why we should be turning over Anderlecht both H & A because you disagree, but we should have at least got 4 points out them, 3 I felt wasn’t good enough, but we got enough on the basis we went through to the Europa League. If you think that’s full of it, then batter in, im no going to lose sleep over your opinion or RB’s.

Obviously it’s a business hence why the Club is incorporated into a PLC. Does that make it right? Does it *, will it change, probably no unless we get Fan Ownership which is the better alternative.

See, the context in which you’re insinauting is that… We are a business, get on with it, stop quesioning the PLC, it’s legal obligation is to conduit money to obcene wealthy people and us that fire the money into the Club should shut the * up about any sort of ambition. Nah mate, * that, but as a Celtic supporter im no.

To be honest, I don’t know why you’ve even brought the Oldco into comparison, but as usual, it’s another duality argument that has no relevance to what im suggesting. Complete reflection of conditioning within the support.

We have plenty of money in reserves, but in order to take up a few more levels we would need either to produce more Tierneys or get really ambitious. Neither wont happen.

I stated the contrary, MONs side was met with ambition and it paid off.

It’s no rocket science, mate. We have record breaking turnovers now and when any supporter asks the Board to push the boat out * are out, seething at the mouth, full of hatred, entrenched at not tolerating any ounce of ambition using duality arguments by bring up a Deadco that used money they never had - while we are asking to use our own money. If that isn’t indoctrination I don’t know what is. This is from the same supporters who are grafting 9 til 5, buy raising STs, see us sell our best players, champion that we are losing quality for fee’s yet never see it then happily joke on here that “Lawwell needs a new driveway” etc. It’s slave mentality, its pure conditioning. There’s no other way about it.

Fair enough, im no. If we don’t retain our Treble we failed this season to match expectations.

 

It’s obvious I forgot to correct my spelling, iPhones aren’t the best when you try and type up a bible on here.

 

Yawn.

 

Because it's a recent and local example of how over-spending to attain unrealistic expectations is the road to ruin.

We are not siphoning off money, it's all in the publicly published accounts. All revenue we make is invested back into the club. Whether or not you think that revenue is being invested wisely is another issue.

Again, contradicting yourself. We did a 'fantastic treble it was tremendous' when earlier you said that's the minimum expectation on paper.

Secondly your point of DD's lack of ambition has no correspondence with reality. Since his investment in the mid 90s we've went from mid-table mediocrity in a dilapidated stadium to the biggest and best team in the country with the largest football stadium, outstanding training facilities, built the Celtic Way and on course to build a hotel nearby, to anyone with any semblance of rationality that shows our ambition.

You argue that we should be expected to win every domestic trophy every season due to our financial advantage yet give no credit for the planning, foresight & management it has taken to get to this point. We didn't just arrive at this point through good fortune, it has been through the work of Desmond & the board that we are at a point where we are in such a favourable position in comparison to our rivals.

Can I ask you what would satisfy you as being ambitious, in terms of actual figures? And do you expect this sum to be funded through cutting costs elsewhere in the business or being personally underwritten by Desmond?

 

Great to see you back Minimalist.

 

It wasn't a spelling error.
Did you not see my other post?

 

He's good entertainment, if nothing else. I've never seen someone talk so much yet not say anything substantial.