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Mafia 15 - Bhoy School Reunion

Discussion in 'Competition Corner' started by M.E.T.H.O.D MAN, Sep 25, 2017.

Discuss Mafia 15 - Bhoy School Reunion in the Competition Corner area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. Callum McGregor The Captain Gold Member

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    Was going to wait until the next day phase to post this but I'm fairly certain I'll be killed in the next night phase. Plus, I now can't sleep due to my neighbours having a party and waking me up.

    Before I start, let me remind you all of the evidence that I believe proves me as town. The following is a list of indisputable facts (not my opinion):
    1. I was first to claim a character, when the risk was highest of false claiming a character someone else had.
    2. Other than VT claims which have become standard procedure in these games, I was first to claim a role (page 5) when risk was also highest of false claiming a role someone else had.
    3. After I role claimed, Deebo said this:
    4. When Mr.Slippyfist quizzed me about revealing my role, on page 7, I responded on page 8. I stated my feelings on why revealing my role as early as possible was necessary. On page 8, he then asked me to clarify my role.
    5. Still on page 8, I responded to Slippy's request. My post included the following text: '
      Title of my of my role is 'Unlucky Townie'.

      The word townie was in a green font.'
    6. After this, Slippyfist stated I was 100% town. I was the first person to mention anything about font colour and as Che has said, it's so specific.
    7. In the opening part of the game, I stated on more than one occasion that I was happy to be lynched, to remove doubt from town about my role. I'm still happy to be lynched btw.
    8. On page 6, Dazza posted the post that made me go for him, when he said even if I was town, he wanted to lynch me. He voted for me in the same post trying to get a lynch wagon started on me.
    9. On page 18, Keano (town) said this: '
    10. I continued my push for Dazza and the wagon slowly gathered votes. The only known mafia to vote for him was Scotia as Dazza appeared to be doomed. Dazza was revealed as mafia.
    11. End of list of facts.
    Next: I believe that was the first time on TC, that town have successfully lynched mafia on Day 1. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

    Losing mafia so early on is a big blow to their team, as they're so outnumbered that they need as many players alive as possible to win the game without going down to the final couple of players, where the difficulty in winning increases almost exponentially.

    I regularly get targeted at the beginning of these games, especially recently. In the previous game, 4 different people targeted me on Night 1, 2 of them killing me. Due to my role reveal, I believe mafia saw me as being an easy lynch at some point, so didn't target me. Plus, I stated that them Night Killing me would actually help town. So they had more valuable players to find.

    Losing a mafia member on the very first night would have undoubtedly forced mafia to consider their tactics for how to win the game. The first evidence of this came from Dazza when he was inevitably being lynched and named both Bob and JC as mafia. JC confirmed as town now. He was looking for town to try and push for a quick lynch on one of those two, to quickly even up the score a bit. He almost got his wish as both Bob and Anton came close to being lynched (helped along by me, admittedly).

    This was an early indication of mafia opting for a very high risk strategy.

    Tim Time mentioned that the tactic Dazza tried, was something he had also considered.

    Goes without saying that the ambiguity in this game always causes a bit of confusion, and the general rule is that inactivity only benefits mafia. Due to this, I made it my aim to make day 2 as active as possible, so we had a lot to go on for the rest of the game.

    I freely admit that I called it wrong on JC Anton for parts of D2. I also acknowledge that I initially thought Scotia was town and claimed the wagon on him was retarded.

    However, Scotia kept posting more and more out of character, so I opened my eyes up and thought there was a chance he was mafia. Even when the majority was reached I was thinking we had lynched a townie, so Scotia flipping as mafia was brilliant. Two in a row, what a brilliant start for town.

    But this brings me back to when I mentioned mafia playing a high risk strategy.

    Running low on phone battery now so going to post this so it isn't lost. To be continued.
     
  2. Callum McGregor The Captain Gold Member

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    Accusations of me being a serial killer.

    I have had several of these accusations posted against me.

    We now know Idioteque was a SK.

    I maintain that claiming the miller role while being a SK is * stupid and I'd like to believe I'm not that daft.

    The number of deaths at night and the apparent lack of roleblockers in the game supports the idea that I'm not a SK.
     
  3. Callum McGregor The Captain Gold Member

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    It's not obvious. Both could easily be town. I'm not ruling either out as being mafia, but both being town is a possibility.
     
  4. ourdaywillcome! Gold Member Gold Member

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    Point taken on TT/Bob, one probably has to go at some stage.

    What are TT's town credentials? Was it him that outed the SK?

    I'm not sliding through anything mate, sliding through would insinuate I'm something other than Town.

    I have more posts than you, the only reason your mot quiet as usual is because you have a power town role..
     
  5. Callum McGregor The Captain Gold Member

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    Please forgive poor grammar, it's very late.


    This was the start of Obafgkmlt's plan.

    He said he can prove he's town, but only in the day phase.

    We now 100% know what he meant by proving it in the day phase. It was his role reveal.

    He did the obvious thing early on and claimed his character was Fergus McCann. Then he proved his role by performing his one shot governor role, making himself unlynchable.

    Proving his role does not prove his character.

    It proves he has a role that can be both town, or mafia.

    For this reason, obafgkmlt absolutely cannot go through this game without being lynched.

    This brings me back to the high risk strategy of the mafia I mentioned earlier. He started the game typically quiet, as mafia players do on D1, as there's no real pressure to reveal too much. Inactivity only harms town.

    He can easily have voted for both Dazza and Scotia as mafia, as it can greatly increase his town credibility. It's an extremely high risk strategy but one that has a fairly high success rate as mafia. I've played the same strategy on other sites as mafia and it's been successful.

    Along with obaf's lie about me totally denying the presence of a serial killer in the game, his appealing to emotion with Deebo in the last few pages and his multiple attempts to dismiss my town credibility, I'm certain he's mafia.

    Remember when I quickly changed and claimed I was Kenny Miller? I knew he'd jump on it somehow and try to start a wagon on me. He posted some non-commital comment about me being done with the game.

    He's attempted to claim I'm the most hopeless player he's ever seen play the game and he's even been arrogant enough to post 'you're wrong and you know you're wrong' to me.

    It always helps to try and get inside the mind of who is playing, especially the ones you suspect of being mafia. His agression an posting style towards me on Day 2, with my role claim, have been attempts to ensure I'm lynched.

    Remember the post of his I'm quoting above. He says he can prove himself as town. He didn't prove himself as town.

    When he said that, I initially thought he was the innnocent child or something like that. So I thought he was going to get Cena to investigate him, get Cena's investigation, then the next day state that he was the innocent child. But then I started to wonder why he was trying to dictate who the cop investigated.

    Again, he said he could prove himself as town and he didn't. He only proved his role, which we know can be town or mafia.

    When he proved his role, he made sure he made himself unlynchable when he was under no suspicion. Quite a good move tbh. As mafia, he knows who town are and could have easily made them unlynchable for that day, but he didn't want to miss the chance of getting a townie lynched, and making a fellow mafia member unlynchable for the day would eventually be suicidal for obaf.

    Anton claimed he was Town Doctor (stupid of me not to believe him when there was no counter claim, but my brain was fried by the end of Thursday), and obaf posted the following:

    Why would Cena still have to investigate obaf?

    Obaf said he could only prove he's town during the day, so he proved his role, but he did not prove himself as town. So why did Cena still have to investigate him? Because he wanted Cena to waste his investigation and try and kill off the town cop.

    If obaf wasn't mafia, the target would obviously be the town cop as that's a far more valuable role.

    I immediately said to Obaf that revealing as governor doesn't prove he's town and he snapped back, 'Bullshit', because he had already claimed Fergus McCann as his character. That still means * all.

    During this, obaf also continues to pressure JC Anton. Anton had claimed Doctor and obaf demanded to know who he protected, to find out if Anton had blocked their mafia kill on Night 1.

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    Remember how I mentioned obaf's lie about me? He said I vehemently denied the presence of a serial killer in the game. Go to the first post on page 39. All I ever stated that there was no chance I was the serial killer.

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    Now, I'm totally aware that until the game is over, or until I'm killed/lynched, there will be doubt over my role due to the role I've claimed. However, I still maintain my town credibility is as high as(if not higher than) everyone's.

    Plenty of people have said throughout this game that I can't survive until the end. I'm fine with that. But by the same logic, obaf cannot be allowed to survive until the end of the game, no matter what.

    Remember, he's proved his role. He hasn't proved he's town, despite his claim to the contrary.

    Obaf must be lynched and I fully, wholeheartedly, believe he's mafia.

    vote obafgkmlt
     
  6. ourdaywillcome! Gold Member Gold Member

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    When's the deadline? Out for the AFL grand final so won't be on probably at all tonight or for much longer. Will try and read through Minty's posts at some point.

    Vote: Aidan

    Incase I don't get back on, don't trust him.
     
  7. Callum McGregor The Captain Gold Member

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    Deadline is 5pm today, UK time. So I believe that's around midnight for you.
     
  8. borobob

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    Has Obaf been investigated by Cena?
     
  9. Saul Goodman Gold Member Gold Member

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    Is this a majority?
     
  10. Saul Goodman Gold Member Gold Member

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    Nope 1 more needed.
     
  11. Tim-Time 1888 Always look on the bright side of Life Gold Member

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    You are gonna * the bed when you read Minty's latest posts/theory :giggle1:
    I will say again a strategy that see's one Mafia member purposefully throw another under the bus would be one of the most effective ways to gain our trust. Your outright dismissal of that as insane either points to that being a possibility or it's simply a strategy you haven't even thought about. I tend to think it's the latter given your repeated insane and stupid accusations towards me about it.

    For the record I think Minty may be onto something and it is something I am going to think about. Last night I demonstrated, again, that I am not mafia when I didn't take the easy option of casting the final vote to lynch Bob when I had the chance. We need to get this correct.

    I will vote for probably Aidan as I indicated last night but again I ain't rushing into casting the final vote here again. However due to Minty's post I do need to think about OBAF as I do know he is a player who could come up with that plan. Unless someone has a very basic meltdown. I will check back in, in a while as for now I need to get going.




    Yes it was me who outed Idio as the SK.
     
  12. Aidan O’Shea

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    Anyone who votes for me based on Deebo's ramblings is a * rocket :56:

    You can't kill Big John.
     
  13. Saul Goodman Gold Member Gold Member

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    It's a strategy I've thought about doing before. I actually remember suggesting it when I was Mafia along with Obaf, V and Sean although that was a good few games ago.

    However I think you're mad to think I did it in this game. Read my interactions with Scotia and my posts backing up why I thought he was Mafia. I'd have to be very clever to think of all that if I was Mafia, which I amnt. I just got lucky in reading his posts as Mafia, as I remember him being Mafia a few games ago quite well because I would have looked at his posts very closely in that game too. (I tend to search for people's posts and read them one by one if they stick out for any reason.) Scotia simply caught my attention when he said I had been quiet which made me look through his posts and notice something was up.

    You can even look at the amount of time between him calling me quiet and me calling him out etc.. It would be difficult to plan that out if I was Mafia.
     
  14. Saul Goodman Gold Member Gold Member

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  15. Saul Goodman Gold Member Gold Member

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    This is actually quite out of character from Aidan tbh.
     
  16. Aidan O’Shea

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    To be fair, I'm tempted to vote for you but it would be a very unpopular move at the current time.
     
  17. Saul Goodman Gold Member Gold Member

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    @Tim-Time 1888

    Vote for Aidan and we can worry about final scum in the next day phase. If I'm wrong about him I'll hold my hands up.
     
  18. Saul Goodman Gold Member Gold Member

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    Do your worst
     
  19. Aidan O’Shea

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    Get ready to hold your hands up, so!

    Vote Deebo
     
  20. obafgkmlt The Unseen Fenian American SpaceTeuchter

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    Despite all this you're still wrong and arguing isn't worth my time anymore