Time for a rethink.

:smiley-laughing002: maybe 'balanced' is the word I should have used.

 

When I said overhaul I meant from boardroom to playing staff.

 

He should have been sacked last October when it first became evident that he never bends no matter what in terms of shape. You get the best out of your players and build your shape around them not the other way around.

He is also the chief executives boy in to do as he is told. Hearing him reading from Lawwells script makes me sick. We need a real football man in there not some new age thought field therapist textbook hipster.

We need a man in who the players will respect. A man who players wouldnt dare cross. Moyes. Its Moyes everyday of the week. He would come in and whip us into shape. He was brilliant at bringing youth through at Everton and got his players to play for him ala MON.

 

Lol I hear you m8 .....If im being honest and we were guaranteed 10 inarow with rony at the helm id take your hand off !! But I honestly cant see that happening , our standard of play has plummeted so bad that even the worst teams in our dire league are coming to celtic park fancying their chances and in many cases leaving with points !! We honestly look clueless and that's on him , although at least they battled if nothing else !!

 

I think one of the main reasons Ronny was brought in was to develop youth players , to then sell on at a good price. There is some evidence with Tierney that this might happen. Although we brought players through the ranks before who then left for a hefty transfer fee.

The problem is having kept faith with Ronny the board are likely to stick with him in the hope that in the next few years he can bring in £15m to £20m a year whilst keeping some of the players long enough to make the CL.

To me this is back to front. We need CL football to fully develop young talent, and put them in the shop window. There is no way Ronny will get us to the CL, and seeing what's happening with Scott Allen there's no way we are going to two or three players a season moving on for big fees to even make up each seasons CL revenue loss.

Ronny needs to go during the current window. But I fear the board will cling on in the hope we'll get some big transfer fees coming in the the near future.

 

We need something doing ..... And I don't even know what it is. All I can think of is a new man at the helm. We would do well to survive in England's second tier. Which does sadden me. All I want is 10 in a row and team that plays and fights well. Oh and a manager with a bit of get up and go during the match

 

Hows that accepting it? :smiley-laughing002: It's got * all to do with the formation. Aye and am sure no 'big teams' play 2 sitting mids and 1 striker

 

I think Celtic needs some new DLC.

 

Ronny said in an interview recently that "we cannot buy proven talent, it has to be a deal that can bring profit to the club in the future."

If we get a new manager, is that policy going to change?

There's a lot things wrong with the club at the minute, Ronny is a product of that, not the root cause.

 

I don't think there's much wrong with the policy, although I won't go into that here. It does need some fine tuning though.

The main problem at the club just now is a lack of plan B and any tactical capability. Obviously we need better players brought in, but even with some better players we'll still be * using these tactics, except we'll have a much higher wage bill.

 

We desperately need another goal scorer, but what's the point if Ronny stays. He'll either sit on the bench most of the time and not be match fit when called upon, or he'll replace Griffiths who'll then spend most of his time on the bench.

We need to play two up front and change one of them after 60 min so we'll have 3 strikers getting a decent amount of game time. Under MON we managed to keep Hartson Larsson and Sutton match fit.

Under Ronny we've got Griffiths, except when he's injured and we 've got nobody. That isn't down to the board.

 

This two up front nonsense is a misnomer. We are scoring plenty of goals.

It's keeping them out at the other end that's the problem.

 

Aye it's the lack of variation and ability to change when 4-2-3-1 isn't working that's the issue though.

 

We scored 2 away to Hearts not so long ago, it was letting 2 in that cost us.

4-4-2 certainly won't make us better defensively.

 

Aye that as well. 4-2-3-1 is yielding plenty of goals though.

200 goals in Ronny's reign so far is not to shabby.

must be 120/30 against though.

 

3 central midfielders would certainly help though, that's what I want to see. That means either going 433 or going with a diamond with 2 up top. So it's down to the personell for those formations.

If he was ever going to actually play Stoks, 2 up top with Commons in behind is a no brainer.

 

Aye even with Virgil and Denayer we were still vulnerable..

I keep saying it, but to play 4-2-3-1 you need at least one DM who knows how to play thet system intelligently. Our squad lacks that type of player.

 

Aye there's no balance and even a blind guy from a mud hut in outer mongolia can see we don't have the personnel for this formation.

I said at the start of his tenure that I would quite happily lose two goals a game if we were scoring 4 or 5. Unfortunately we aren't doing that and to be honest, in europe, we aren't ever going to be doing that.
It might click eventually in Scotland but we will forever be embarrassed in Europe playing this type of football.

We might get to a point where it all works out for Ronny and he has the attacking players required to make his vision a reality, but in Europe (especially the CL) it would be us scoring 2 and the opposition scoring 4 or 5.

 

If he won't find a few more formations to switch between when needed especially in most teams in the CL, your right. But, and it's understandably easy to forget, in our first two EL group games, in particular, we were great and we really should have won but for stupid individual errors. It's not terrible in Europe, performance wise; but then you could say, after our group campaign, that we ended up winless, which is true and depressing but doesn't take details into account.
I think it's always going yo be frustrating as * being a fan when things aren't going well but there's signs of hope.
Ronnie must learn to become more flexible though. He does seem very stubborn.

I think, for what it's worth, that we would suit a 4-3-3 really well.

 

Do you think ronny is suffering with the 2nd season syndrome. Players who have good 1st seasons usually end up being pretty poor the next year, look at kris commons as one example for ourselves. If it can happen with players can it happen with managers? What im beginning to see is teams have worked us out especially with pushing the full backs so forward we leave loads of space in behind.

Ronny is a brilliant coach, look at the improvement in guys like rogic, Griffiths, boyata since signing, bitton and young Tierney coming through. He needs to show some tactical flexibility though or it will cost him his job. Im a big fan of the 4-2-3-1, its a great formation when played well, ie borussia Dortmund a few years back. However especially in Europe a 3 man midfield now is almost essential.

As an example the republic of Ireland under Giovanni trappatoni played the same tactics every game and 2 centre midfielders- teams eventually worked it out and trappatoni began to struggle. Since O'Neil has come in he has gone with a centre midfield 3 for the most part and been tactically flexible, it has made a huge difference. If Ronny doesn't begin to change it around or employ little tweaks in formation and tactics then hes a goner.