EURO 2016

You seen Rashford before? 'Average'. Jesus Christ. :smiley-laughing002:

Also, Paul why would I be hurting? I'm an Irish fan. Couldn't be further than the truth, I'm just not blinded to the truth.

 

How good do you think Rashford is?

So far he's done nothing that someone like Defoe whos about 35 couldnt have done, scored a few goals but mostly went under the radar. He's not really near stating for England or being used to turn a game. Still an unknown quantity who may be a new Michael Owen or a new Fraizer Campbell.

 

I guess Ronaldo and Lewandowski are * too then. Vardy and Kane are both good players.

 

Problem with your logic here is that you've called him an average player then said he's an unknown quantity.

 

But you know the reason they've been good is because of their respective managers. I think it's an interesting point, if you can't do it on the ground then maybe in the air, at least it's an advantage having the option?

Mind you I also believe it's unfair to judge international managers compared to their league counterparts as there is too much difference in time to deal with ideas.

What is interesting is how Italy for example manage to play the same style over decades and still get close to or actually win titles no matter what level of player or manager they have.

Spain I think have now a similar system where they can win things through the midfield battle. They are culturally a midfield creative team.

What happened to Holland and their Total Football?

Does England have a culture? I honestly don't know and I'm wondering if maybe they need one as that's what makes a winning team? It definitely has a population for creating a world class eleven.

 

True but he's played a fair amount of football must have started about a dozen games so enough to form a decent opinion.

From what i've seen I would say he looks ok and has done well to score a good few goals but he doesnt ooze quality or anything.

Youd say he's had a Tony Watt type of start to his career rather than a Charlie Nicholas. Done well but not totally convincing that he is the real deal.

 

I think he'll go onto to be a really good player tbh. But I don't think he should have travelled. Definitely would have taken someone like Carroll instead. Even Spain always have a striker who's good in the air.

 

That is the truth, but England also beat Wales. Paul your hatred for England is blinding you from the fact England do have a chance to win to write them off is silly mate and you no that. They aint the best team there in terms of quality but you cant sit there and say that they deffo wont win because no teams totally impressed all have there weaknesses and England have pace which can and will hurt better teams.

This tourney has already shown that the top teams will struggle to get goals when teams sit or in general struggle to score, take Germany for example who lack a good forward, Spain and Italy have played well but even Spain struggled against Czechs it took a Pique header to score although they looked very good the other day, Croatia look very impressive but bottled it against a * awful Czech team.

England have pace upfront in Vardy and Sturridge which no other team has and they can both score goals it just hasn't come consistently yet because teams in Englands group sit back and allow no space in behind and as a Celtic fan you can appreciate when teams defend like * it can become frustrating and it doesn't fully reflect the game, for example look at England vs Russia, Russia didn't fully sit back but the chances England got they missed and where punished in the last min, it didn't reflect the game but if Russia had of played how they played against Wales tonight England would of destroyed them.

Tonight Russia knew they had to win and pressed out against Wales underestimating them as a team and where punished, teams wont do that against England because England are a better team than Wales with better players and the risk off pressing means England can get in behind. Slovakia vs Wales, Slovaks pressed out and Wales punished them along with a * save from Bales free kick. 10 men behind the ball is difficult to break down and I agree a player like Carrol would of made the difference tonight for England, they simply don't have a plan B when Kane isn't scoring because the ball they put into the box where dealt with time and time again they have no areal threat.

England have struggled like * this group simply because they don't have a special player like Modric, like Iniesta like Payet, Bale ect who can drag a team out of the dirt and do something special when teams sit back and park the bus which the four mentioned have to help there team win give or take no team has sat against Wales, Englands answer to that is Rooney who is good but not in the same league as the 4 mentioned.

When England come up against better teams that will go toe to toe against England such as France who they will probs meet in Quarters we will see how good Vary, Kane Ali ect are because they will get more chances because of the space, they will ovbs also come under more pressure so the defence will be tested but we should see a more open game which we can then judge England off rather than writing them off because every team they have faced so far put 10 men behind ball.

While it isn't Englands fault other teams sit back like * its just tactics and this pathetic opportunity too go though when finishing third, I agree they should posses the quality to unlock those defences and its a poor show that they didn't beat Slovakia and Russia. Tonight England looked toothless and Danny S had to come out and play deep because of the lack of space, mix that with Slovakia having 7 defenders on at one time it would of taken something special too break though and England just don't seem to have that at the moment.

I don't think England will win it but to write them off is extremely silly when they come toe to toe with teams that wont just sit we will see the proof in the pudding and Englands best features will come to show they just have to deal with the on coming storm that will come with the space.

 

I think you're completely underrating Rashford.

Some of his finishes have been top notch, and he always looks dangerous running at defenders. He's a good wee player.

 

I think he could go either way.

Charlie Nicholas as I said it was clear with him from his first 15/20 games that he was that good he could have played for Celtic for 10+ years and was one of the best players in the team. Could also say the same of Rooney for Everton and various other players like Fabregas when at Arsenal or Van der Vaart at Ajax even Tierney now for us.

Rashford you'd say is still a bit off really starting games for Man Utd never mind thinking of any long term future there.

 

Yes your hatred for England :icon_mrgreen:

I don't think they'll win it either but I'm not gonna completely rule them out simply because to do that in an international tournament is impossible. Greece 2004, Denmark 1990's? No team has a solid claim this year like Spain in last two, anyone can win it.

 

Still very early days for him though, imagine we were getting him on loan next season would you really be that confident that he'd do well for us. I would honestly be unsure of him.

Iheanacho of Man City in comparison who's probably played similar game time I would be more confident of doing well for us, he's shown a bit more class on the ball and allround ability in comparison to Rashford whos shown good pace and poaching abilities but not much more than that.

 

England have no chance.

 

Yes, I've seen enough of him to know he has plenty of ability.

And to me, Iheanacho always looks like more of a poacher with not a whole lot else to his game than goals. Rashford is quite good on the ball, he can beat a player and score different types of goals.

 

We'll see how they do in future.

I thought Iheanacho has looked a good technical player though who has been decent playing behind Aguero in some games more like a midfielder wouldnt have considered him poacher like in the slightest.

 

Aye but hes English so hes over rated.

 

And against Slovakia they were pretty average as well and Bale was woeful for a player of his abilty.

I will be rooting for them though, if things click, take their chances and there big players play well they could go to the Semis imo.