Paris...shootings and explosions

Maajid Nawaz a Muslim and former extremist not terrorist extremist i may add and Sam Harris atheist, neuroscientist and author of an excellent book called The End of Faith, came together and wrote a book called Islam and the future of tolerance. Check it out it will enlighten alot of folk on here.

Now for anyone here it's blatantly obvious there's an issue when it comes to Islam. When you have Saudi Arabia beheading & stoning people. People like Raif Badawai arrested for insulting Islam through electronic channels and apostasy who was sentenced to 7 years in prison and 600 lashes later increased to 10 years and 1000 lashes. Holding women's conferences and not a single woman in sight. Their country as the center of all that is Islamic where Muslims from all over travel to, a place where the Quran is followed to the absolute law. No Muslim leaders anywhere condemn the actions of Saudi Arabia, I have yet to see any come out and condemn and chase out these terrorists aswell the silent majority of Muslims need to start speaking up. And the silence has been deafening for far too long.

With all that we need to start having a grown up conversation about Islam and dragging it kicking and screaming into the 21st century there is far far too many pseudo liberals who will point the racist card & scream Islamophobia, these people although they may think otherwise are really damaging to our society. The fact we are ring fencing a religion is actually quite terrifying.

To quote Maajid Nawaz a Muslim - "Islam isn't the religion of war, but it isn't the religion of peace either.

When Muslims claim that terrorism is a distortion of true Islamic teachings, that may be correct in that Islamic teachings state that it is not permissible to kill innocent civilians and destroy civilian property. However, saying that there is no connection between terrorism and Islamic teachings seems clearly false because the original doctrine of Jihad mandates violence against non-believers and teaches that martyrs will go to heaven, something that the terrorists themselves claim to believe.

Tonight i posted alot in here about my disdain for religion emotions were running high as to what happened i was angry. I don't have a political agenda seriously! I'm frustrated at the lack of condemnation for Islam i'm fed up with individuals in our society being tolerant to the intolerant, This is what is seeing the rise in right wing politics.

Hopefully the way we openly criticise and question Christianity without having to live in fear we can do one day with Islam.

 

First of all, R.I.P to all those who have died. I abhor all religion and make no bones about it.

However, having scoped this thread without giving my opinions it has really dismayed me to see how other Celtic fans really think.

I don't believe for a second we are all one homogeneous group, however I did believe due to our historical struggles that we as a collective had some sort of reasonable rationality - a bit of intelligence to put it crudely. We weren't bigots like that lot over the clyde. And yet we are it seems.

The number of brain dead bigoted * on this thread is startling and has really opened my eyes, its sickening. Not as bad as the wider internet mind but I'm woefully disgusted.

As a guy who has Muslim friends I am at a loss as to what to say, knowing that their religion and maybe even their families will continue to be subject to scrutiny of the highest level. Subjugated to vitriol from white nationalists with a superiority complex.

All you dumb * on here who keep saying - 'the refugees, the refugees.' I guarantee this was not done by refugees - this was planned. ISIS have (at most and really pushing it) 200,000 members. However, remember they are fighting and attempting to control an area multiple times the size of Britain - they cannot afford to send anyone over. What the can do, or at least hope for (as Al Qaeda did) is that young muslims HERE, in our very own nation, become disillusioned with the west and their imperial adventures and join their cause.

How many muslim states invade and attack us? Answer that bigots. They don't. Then think about all the muslim state we intervene in. Yet we still arm and gladly do business with the largest propagator of terrorism on the planet - Saudi Arabia. Imagine if states continued to denigrate you and your people, your religion. Continued to invade and you see your family murdered, your friends murdered and your land destroyed, for what? For western capitalistic adventurism, then what would you do? I know what I'd do.

Innocent people everywhere, here and abroad are dying at the whim of politicians and businessmen and yet we fight among ourselves. Karl Marx (laugh all you want) was correct, its a class struggle. There's nothing between races, we're human. What is dividing us is western imperialism for capitalistic purposes. And it is done oh so well.

What did we expect when we use drones to mercilessly slaughter innocent civilians on the 1% chance we might hit a target? Invade and take their resources. Outcast and marginalise huge swathes of people?

Call him a nut all you like, Angus is correct - the west is ramping it up. They want Syria. They are going to use everything now to get in and do the damage. The end goal being Iran obviously.

Oh, and don't forget - over 100 people died in the middle east yesterday due to terrorism. But those * dark skinned folk, they don't matter, right? It's just us glorious white superior folk with the best darn religion.

 

* man...forgot my mate was going to the U2 gig in Paris.....its just a few streets away from he Bataclan theatre...it was tonight....As shocking as it all is, imagine it was tonight and they ran down that street....thousands of people

Still cant believe all this

 

I'm not for one minute going to defend the record of the UK or the USA when it comes to the Middle East. We've interfered over there way too much and we suffer occasional consequences for that. I get that.

Terrorism is still terrorism though. It's a completely out of date argument to say "When do Muslims attack us?" They don't. Eh....sorry......but they do and they have. 9/11, the London bombings and if they were responsible for last night then add that to the list too. The fact is, Muslims ARE attacking the West. They are not innocent victims.

My heart is hardening fast towards them. Any Muslim that wants to come to this country, work and integrate themselves into our society and our way of life, I welcome them. The * that want to come here, not learn English and live the same way they would in their own country while reaping all the benefits of living in this country? They can * off. Chase the lot of them.

We should stay the * out of the Middle East. Let these people run their own countries the way they want. It's their business. The minute they start coming over here and start trying to launch Jihad against us, or try to turn this country into a Muslim country, we should empty the *. If they hate the West so much it won't be a hardship for them when we deport them back to their own country.

 

Just been told every single refugee is extremist and wants me to convert to Islam or die and that I am playing into the hands of extremists by showing my support to refugees

The sad truth is this just furthers their cause and drive to carry out more attacks

 

Sorry, where did I say that muslims don't attack? They do - as you highlighted. However, you don't see Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait etc etc coming and invading us and bombing the * out of us do you?

What you are referring to is extremist islamic attacks and more often than not these people were born in the nation they attack. Such is their disillusionment with the west. Such is their severe marginilisation.

What should we do then, just totally whitewash and ban ALL practice of Islam?

Also the bit about going over and not learning the language yet reaping the benefits. That is near on exactly what every single British immigrant does when they leave for work abroad.

 

Its scary the situation we find ourselves in mate. Too many inbred nationalists out there with brain cells few and far between.

That goes for ALL nations by the way.

 

All SKY News is missing is Kay Burley
Mind that time that abducted girl was found dead and she broke the news to a couple live on TV

 

You said "How many Islamic states invade us? They don't". Now that's true but the inference in that statement is that we don't suffer attacks from Muslims. Which is patently not true, as you yourself admit. It makes no difference to me if there is a bombing carried out by Muslims in this country that is state sanctioned or not state sanctioned. It's still a bombing carried out in the name of Islam.

If these people are so disillusioned with the West that they feel the need to start letting off bombs then they should * off to a part of the world where they'll feel more at home. They cannot and will not turn this country into an Islamic state.

 

Anyone heard anything about the German team? Did they get out the country ok?

 

I think there's probably two levels of Islamic terrorist. Those who carry out attacks in order to try and get us to back out of the Middle East. Then there are those who aspire to impose Sharia Law in this country and make this country an Islamic state.

The first set I can understand. The second set should be dealt with in the most brutal way.

 

It wasn't. I meant we don't suffer invasions from Islamic states, yet we invade like no tomorrow.

In doing this we have created a monster. These people are sick to death of seeing their families murdered, their land raped, their resources plundered. Thus, they become radicalised and take up the fight against the west - we would do the same.

Once this happens it allows radicalism to flourish, it just so happens that it is being vented through the channel of Islamism. This then unites a whole host of people across various Islamic states. It has nothing to do with Islam itself, that is just by-product of the area in which we loot and plunder. They're all mostly Islamic. This therefore unites them as one.

Once that happens they can spread their ideology across the globe to fellow Muslims. Thus, we have to fear people within our own society rather than abroad. They become indoctrinated because they see their religion, the very moral fibre of their being totally subjugated to hate and loathing. It's no different than us supporting other Christian nations when they are attacked? Its no different to these white Christian soldiers all sticking up for one another. Its no different to all these guys who have went over VOLUNTARILY to fight against ISIS.

Religion is *, all of it. However, without sounding like a crackpot and I know I will, the people of the globe are being turned against one another. All of this so rich men of all colours, nationalities and religions can benefit at the hands of our deaths, on the back of our struggles.

It really is the fault of capitalism. Seriously.

 

Well I completely reject your assertion that all religion is *. But that's another thread.

There is some merit in what you say. No doubt. But these people need to have the wit to realise it is not their religion that is under attack. The West's interventions in the Middle East are more about oil and politics and money. Not religion. We shouldn't be made to suffer for these people's ignorance.

It's a propaganda war. And it's hard for the West to win a propaganda war in the Middle East, when people's minds are being poisoned in the privacy of mosques in a far away land. I don't know how we win there.

 

FFS..........

 

They dont seem capable of understanding there are over 4million Syrian refugees and that ISIS numbers about 200,000.

Even if you break down the 4million refugees to the those just entering the EU, to state they are all ISIS does not make mathematical sense, if thats the case who the * is in Syria because ISIS entire numbers have drastically grown and relocated to the West....what utter *

 

Aye, Christianity good; Islam bad.

Truth hurts. Too many brain dead bigots on here.

 

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If it comes down to it, aye.

 

Sorry,, but who said the 4million refugees are all ISIS ??

 

''when you point a finger at someone, there's 3 pointing back at you''

you cannot label people with the term bigot simply because they hold a different view from yourself.