Is Ronny still the man for Celtic?

Not fair at all to say it's because of negative types blowing things out of proportion I can assure you there are some folk on here who can't see any problems with Ronny at all, and label those who do as part-time fans etc. people who don't think it's a very genuine view, and isn't at all knee-* are having a laugh imo

 

I have always thought he would turn it around after his shocking start & we did after xmas last year & I thought we were unlucky to get put out by Inter & we were beating teams in style at times but I think this season has proved this job is just too big for him & looks to me he has lost the dressing room players are simply not responding to him.

He is also far too stubborn & will not change things reminds of the Strachan days when his team got stale & he would not change it & with scotland team Deila is the same he wont change it we can create as many topics as we want on here how deila should change but he wont no matter what.

He also bangs on how he wants our team to be fit & got rid off chips & all that pish then why does every team look fitter & sharper than us he simply is not good enough the other night proved that.

 

Well folk like that are just as ridiculous aren't they? Maybe should have worded it better but they key is there are reasonable people on both sides of the argument but what I was saying in reply to that dude, after he made the distinction between supporting and defending the manager, was defending Ronnie from some quite unfair attacks (from a minority) is a natural reaction to that as its unfair and certain people who do this do it with huge broad, generalised statements and ignore any discussion that might invite mitigating circumstances for the 'defence'.

 

Fair enough.

I do believe there are mitigating circumstances, however I do think every other manager faces similar circumstances and they are very rarely brought out as an excuse.

Same thing happen to those who want him gone. When people suggest it's a mad idea and Ronny has been a success it just makes me want him gone even more because it patently isn't true, and that's from someone who was delighted when he arrived.

 

Fair play, mate. Of course not getting into the CL is unacceptable but in the absence of that, over the peice, I think we've seen some good things and he's not been a failure. For me Ronnie really needs to show he can be flexible, in-game change it up when it might not be working, wether it's individual players or formation. I think if he starts doing those things better, were on our way again, stablely with no terrible results like Molde. Even though that wasn't all his fault, he did get some big things wrong.

Anyway I'm just gonna try and stay feckin positive!

 

He's had it tight on here and rightly so this last couple of day's, I've crucified him myself and called for his head for two day's straight, but....calming down and having a wee think, I don't think he should be punted just yet...but I must stress that if night's or a night like Thursday happen, even just the one more time, then he'll have to go..

I'm disillusioned at the moment and worried about regression that we can all see (definitely not all down to Ronny though) but most of us can also see plenty of good thing's Ronny has brought to the club..

Back to basics and a massive reaction needed this week..

 

He has had relative success though, all things considered. Double and progressing from the EL group is success in my eyes. Results wise anyway.

It's more performances that are being dissected rather than the end result.

Obviously that is CL quals aside and I understand that our whole season rests on those games but like I said earlier, he isn't the first Celtic manager to come up short in that respect and he wont be the last either.

Failure in Europe is something we have all seen many times before.

It's not good enough but at the same time he deserves the chance to turn it around.

If we are out of the EL by Christmas though then I think it will be curtains. Molde don't even look like they will be in the CL qualifiers next season and there is the very real possibility we will draw someone from Norway again next year. If Molde go through and we go out then that is a red flag for me that Ronny is not the guy to be leading us into next seasons CL.

 

I'm still not sure that failing to qualify from the group would warrant him being sacked. I honestly think the vast majority of managers would struggle to qualify from this group with the defence we've had out for the last two games. Simunovic will hopefully improve it significantly but even then it may be asking a lot that his inclusion will stop us leaking goals in the last three Euro games.

If we fail to qualify, and our next three performances are of a similar quality to the ones against Fenerbahce at home and Ajax away, and we are * over by Ambrose or Izzy again, then I think it would be harsh on Ronny.

 

That reaction has to be measured in europe, as a few results and performances in the lesser competition within the SPL may act as a false indicator as to how we may actually fare when we face the better quality of Molde, Ajax or Fenerbache.
Whats more is that Deila needs to be trusted to lead us in next seasons campaign in europe, and at present, there is a greater argument against, than the arguement for Deila.

 

I honestly don't think last season was that bad mate, it was underwhelming at times domestically and the CL qualifiers were obviously poor, but we were playing well at times in the league and looked good domestically for a good few months, inter was obviously a highlight.

We look to be back to square one just now in all honesty. I can't say that from what I've seen of Deila so far I would be confident going into a crunch game with him in charge, or a crucial run of games.

 

He should get until the end of the EL groups then the board should review his position. It's not all gone to * yet but improvements need to be made quickly.

 

Kick out the Norwegian and bring in the swede

 

If Ronny isn't ready for the job then neither is the king.

Although I would * from Glasgow Cross to Parkhead Cross if he became our new manager, I would worry that the flak Ronny is getting would happen to the king as well.

I couldn't handle that.

In fact, with the way the support is morphing these days I don't think I want Larsson taking the job at all, I would get banned from the internet as a whole if people started bad mouthing him.

 

Agreed. It would be heartbreaking if he wasn't a success and damaged his reputation.

Having said that, he's his own man and won't come here until he thinks he's ready, regardless of anything else.

 

That's true. If he himself thought he was ready for it then he will take it.

And that day would be glorious.

 

The next 4 games will decide Deilas future, must win all 4 IMO or the games up.

 

That's a fair assessment I think.

 

I agree with all of that and i'm not disputing that it's Europe where we need to see improvements. I'm just saying we need/i want to see a reaction STARTING this week as we play United then two big one's away at the diets in the cup and at home to the sheep. Going out to the diets is unthinkable..

 

I am in agreement with this premise. However if Deila loses all four, it will be a wrecking ball to the remainder of our season.

 

I would accept another loss or draw in europe so long as the team improves.
And its time to see a bit of style in the splfplf games.

But another game playing like we just did and yes its bye bye time for ronny.