Celtic in IRA songs row

No IRA songs. We dont want to be associated with that. Im from Free Derry so i also grew up with the struggle. It should be about football and football only. As Over and OVer is my favourite song i would like to hear it played more often, It embodies our support as Celtic fans, "Faithful through and through" We need to sing the full verses aswell.

 

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Come on Celtic and Scotland And * off Ireland

 

And there are Scottish people on this forum who support Celtic who take offence to * wipes posting slogans supporting the cowardly murdering fuckwits of the drug barons and bombers in the IRA/UDA etc.

 

I take your point, I apologise to our Irish Celtic F.C. supporters, I was getting at the moron who posted the idiotic IRA thingy. I have nothing against the Irish I just happen to be Scottish

 

In the past we have as older tims felt the need to unite behind a cause, Irish nationalism was the main one, but any left wing cause was justified.We felt with aparthied being practised in many nations we had the right to unite behind those who opposed it .As football progressed and politics moved to the centre left,good celtic supporters,on the left,were left in a vacum,there is still plenty of work to done, But its got to be done within the celtic ethos.Non sectarian, non creed, non colour.Celtic was passed on from my father and i will pass the Celtic culture on to my bhyos.With immigration a major issue and the right wing winning the argument its never been a more imporant time to be a celt. * bless and Hail Hail.

 

Move with the times. Thats all over. No need to dwell on violence. Its the peacemakiers who deserve to be hero worshipped. It took Sinn Fein 25 years or more of violence to end up accepting what the peaceful SDLP had been advocating all that time. So what was the point in all that killing. Sinn Fein also rarely had more than a third of the catholic vote in Northern Ireland until they stopped violence. In other words they ignored the peaceful wishes of the vast majority of the people they claimed to represent. For me the troubles was a waste of time. We now know the paramilitaries were corrupt and riddled with spies, informers and agents too. It was an all round tragedy but the paramilitaries dont deserve this hero worshipping. The men of peace like John Hume deserve that.

 

celtic is a football club get the politics to *

 

I don't go around shouting Up the Ra' and I agree that your man's post up there was a bit ignorant, but you're a disgrace.

While I don't agree with violence as a solution to everything, I am disgusted that you disregard the men, women and children who died in an effort to free Ireland. Where we are today would not be possible without the armed struggle. The British government refused to listen until they were forced to.

 

Since when was Football just about 22 men kicking a pigs bladder around? Celtic certainly NEVER were. Football teams represent communities with shared cultural histories and identities. Thats where the passion comes from, thats why people all around the world are so invested in their teams. It means something. Without that its just some rich guy you've never met propelling an inflated leather sphere over a white line and against a net. If you want an escape from the real world play your playstation.

 

So just what was the goverment forced to do? The Good Friday Agreement was basically put on the table as 'the Sunningdale Agreement' by the British government in the early 1970s. It was accepted by the SDLP and Ulster Unionists but brought down by loyalists and the IRA. That rejection was proven to be a big mistake as the terrorists basically ended up accepting most of the Sunningdale terms three decades later after much pointless tragedy. The SDLP called The Good Friday Agreement 'Sunningdale for slow learners'. I am very interested in Irish politics but there has to be some intelligence, not just slogans, flags, tribalism and emotion. All the loss of life was tragic but all the extremists called it wrong in Northern Ireland. Only a compromise could ever have worked in Northern Ireland. Here is a link on Sunningdale.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunningdale_Agreement

BTW, lets get this straight, I am talking about the Northern Ireland troubles from the late 1960s to the later 90s not the earlier southern stuff where the population dynamics were very different.

 

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See to be brutally honest whats the big fuss about this thread? Nae * sings anyway!!

 

No offence, but since when was Irish nationalism a left wing cause, the Republic of Irelands politics has traditionally been dominated by two right of centre parties whom until recently were always looking over their shoulder to ensure church approval as to what they were doing, moreover, the RC Church which has always had its hand on the shoulder of Irish nationalism has a history of right wing sympathies in most things that it does, basically, Irish nationalism has never historically leant to the left, there are exceptions though such as Gerry Fitt, he could see the floors in the traditional path that it (Irish nationalism) took and tried the secular approach but he paid a heavy price for it.

 

well said!!!

 

Absolutely love that comment :icon_mrgreen:

 

The UK is a democracy, not a perfect one but a deomcracy all the same, the Government didnt refuse to listen, it had to take into account the feelings of the majority of the population in Northern Ireland whom wished to remain part of the UK, therefore, in 1972, it did the morally correct thing and allowed this to continue but introduced "Direct rule" to ensure the minority who felt and were bullied and threatened, received protection, thats what happens in democracies! In return the people of the UK on both sides of the Irish Sea were subjected to over two decades of terror by people who didnt give a * for elections or democracy and just went around killing inocent members of the public and those with the wherewithall to serve their communities!

 

Spot on mate !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Its probably all for the best but u r dead right lol!!