Diving.

I haven't seen the incident but I abhor diving. If Derk has indeed taken a dive then I hope he is punished appropriately and warned by the club that it is unacceptable at Parkhead. We are not Rangers FC (deceased), and don't need to act like them to win games.

 

Intelligent discussion?

I find it hard to have an intelligent discussion with someone who acts like a historian on speed trying to prove there hasn't been a bias against Celtic players for the Scottish national team and who has to ask what the connection is between the Republic of Ireland and Celtic.

Forgive me for treating your posts with contempt.

 

No I am not out of my mind Are you one of the super breed of Celtic "supporter" who can only see what Celtic players do wrong in your eyes . I have been watching Celtic long enough to know there are special rules and laws for Celtic supporters players and officials .

 

I agree we are not Rangers Fc (deceased) and we are not treated as such , nor would I want us to be treated like those c..ts . Of course I abhor diving , just as much as I abhor the smart * so called Celtic supporters who are so certain Derk dived .

 

You take the biscuit , telling us that someone says you are the only lucid Celtic supporter on the planet .
How the * can you support Celtic if you feel fit to report that each and every other Celtic supporter is not wise . You and your equally dumb Partick Thiste supporter should stay very far away from football matches in case you become affected like the rest of us .

 

I think he is either a relation of Hughie or Dougie .

 

So am I a Celtic supporter or not ulsterscot?

Can you inform me soon because we are playing tomorrow afternoon and I need to know whether I'm watching or not.

 

Ok, I've just watched the incident again a few times and for me it is still not a penalty. I see what you mean about their being a slight nudge in the back by Dave Mackay but for me it's never enough to make Boerrigter go down. It's certainly not enough to make him fall in the theatrical manner he did. He was putting it on. We can split hairs and say it's only a dive if there isn't any contact but you know exactly what I am getting at when I say Boerrigter dived. He accentuated his fall and chose to go down instead of actually being knocked down.

I wasn't drawing a direct comparison between Boerrigter and Porto btw. I was talking about the opening post in this thread. My interpretation of the OP is that the guy who wrote it would be quite happy for Celtic players to cheat as much as possible if it meant we would win. Which is pretty much what Porto did that night in Seville. I will never ever agree with that point of view. Porto's antics in Seville will stick in my craw till the day I die. I will never forgive them. Ever. I absolutely do not want to see Celtic players descend to that level in order to succeed. People like Andy Walker advocate cheating and say that you are "naive" if you don't dive in the box. Fine. Let's be naive then. At least we can look ourselves in the mirror and know we're not a bunch of cheating *.

 

The Boerrigter one is a tough one and probably a good example of an incident that can divide opinion. He looks to have felt some contact on his back that's knocked him off and he's dived to get the decision. So the questions for me are is it right for him to go down if he's due a foul, and is he due a foul.

Usually I'd say he's right to go down if he's been fouled. I don't want to see Celtic losing goalscoring opportunities because we're too honest to be fouled. Referee's won't make a big decision like that unless you go down. Boerrigter should've stayed up though. It was really light; show a bit of strength and smash the ball in.

I'd say he probably was due a foul though. I would look at the defender in cases like this. He's been caught out by a good run and a great ball over the top, he swings an arm out (no business to be doing that) and he's fouled him. That being said, shrug the foul off and score big man. (Like big Chrissy Sutton would've)

 

:bbpd:

 

I'm sorry mate. I just went back a few pages to understand the context of your post and I got it spectacularly wrong. I really should read back sometimes before steaming in.

I still don't think Derk "dived" in the true sense of the word. :smiley-laughing002:

 

Good post and very true about just shrugging it off and putting the baw in the pokey.

I think being off balance made him lose control of the ball though and probably contributed to him going down after the challenge.

 

I'll tell you what though. We have done a lot more complaining about it than the St Johnstone defender did. :smiley-laughing002:

 

i agree with this in principle but

on the continent and in south america this is never likely to happen and diving will continue for sure as it has for years and years

why do we in the UK or Scotland, Ireland think we should be the ones NOT to dive (play by integrity and not dive or attempt to cheat to gain the prize) when every other * nations football teams will * over our teams by diving in a heartbeat

why do we have to be the ones to be the holier than though fand above reproach teams and not dive ???

in all honesty it's allowable in the continent and south america it's just part of the game of football and we aren't gonna win this so may as well if you can't beat them join them

 

In some parts of South America Luis Suarez' biting incidents were not considered serious. His abuse of Patrice Evra is also tolerated in his home country, so does that mean you think we should also accept that type of behaviour from players?

Again, diving is abhorant from grown men who are paid that much to play football - most of whom are six foot and more than big enough to stay on their feet most of the time. Celtic players are no exception and when they diver they should be punished. In this case, hopefully Derk will learn that it is not acceptable.

 

You maybe the only one lucid of something on the planet but it ain't a Celtic fan.

Quite a shocking statement from a Celtic fan tbh.

 

Don't disagree with any of that

 

Correct ,its very hard to stay on your feet while being shoved while running full pelt.
Definite penalty even though it looked like a dive.

 

Clear penalty,red card was for that dciknose's earlier antics.
Shame Derk didn't get his shot off as he was busting for a goal,do his confidence wonders.

SFA and media making a song and dance of such accusations as they do when it suits them.

No dive,dispute the match bans all the way.

 

What is shocking about it? I didn't say it, my pal did, I find it kind of funny. You obviously take this stuff waaaaay to seriously.