Illegia's UEFA appeal fails - Going to CAS. FAILS AGAIN

"Legia have won a mini victory."

From a Scottish newspaper. Nice to know your own media can side with you especially when you have done no wrong.

No way will they be reinstated on Monday, no way.

Two days to prepare for a match against a team you didn't know you would be playing? It's not going to happen.

CAS are fast tracking this so they can tell Legia to get tae *.

Hopefully UEFA * them up the * once this is all said and done.

 

Doesn't help our preparations or our fans trying to get the game especially since their stadium will be half full due to the ban for racist chanting

 

I understand the difference between the rules for suspended players and ineligible players, I've stated that a few times. As you said earlier there is no grey area in the rules as they are now. What I was saying is that the rule as currently written is incredibly harsh and I don't really see why the suspended player rule should be any different than the ineligible player rule. The ineligible player rule allows for common sense to come into the equation, if an ineligible player had a large influence on the game (or multiple players in Sions case) then the team can be kicked out. If a player only played a few minutes and had no impact then the team can stay in the competition but pay a fine like the Debrecen case which is almost identical to the Legia situation aside from the fact that the player was ineligible and not suspended.

 

how would you possibly make up rules to judge the 'impact' any player could have on the game? thats a nonsense. how could anyone possibly know?

maybe uefa should build an interdimesional portal, exploring parallel realities where they can see what might've been, with a rule book as long the * encyclopedia galactica.

 

Bitter Legia Warsaw legend Jan Tomaszewski calls for European football fans to hound Celtic across the continent.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...780?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

Who? :smiley-laughing002:

Wow! That newspaper is really going all out and getting behind the Poles on this one eh

 

the DR doing what they do best this really is very pathetic from the press anti celtic as ever.

and legia are just as bad.

 

The rule change I'm talking about would be a simple one, I don't understand why you seem so baffled by it. Change the suspended player rule to the same wording currently used in the ineligible player rule, it amounts to changing the word "must" to the word "may".

You may believe that judging a players impact is nonsense but thats pretty much exactly what Uefa has done in the past in cases like this when ineligible players were involved. Debrecen were allowed to go through when they fielded an ineligible player for a couple minutes at the end of the second leg of a tie(sound familiar?) because Debrecen had "no interest in fielding this player for the three last minutes of additional time, when the score was so clearly in its favour". Pretty much saying he didn't have any real impact thus they shouldn't lose their place in the competition.

 

Jagiellonia played the Champions League theme today before their match with Legia

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=832575003426816

 

Im sorry but it wouldn't be simple. Rules should be consistent. What minimum circumstance would warrant the game being 'clearly in one teams favour'? It would need to be defined for there to be any sort of standard.

If that is indeed their stance on the ineligble side of things then it should be changed. 'May' is not a sensible option.

I mean no one can say what might have happened if legia hadn't fielded a suspended player. I know the idea of a comeback is absurd. But it's wasn't technically impossible. We can't make rules out of assumptions.

Chaos theory dude.

 

:smiley-laughing002:

 

I agree that some sticky situations could arise if the rule was changed but those situations will already come about with the ineligible players rule anyway. I personally think the rules should have room for some common sense. Legia played a player in good faith who wasn't supposed to be playing the same way Debrecen did yet Debrecen only got a minor fine. Two greatly different penalties for pretty much the exact same crime.

 

Legia played someone who had been SUSPENDED. Suspension means Banned from next games. To sit those suspensions he must have been registered to play in that competition. He could not sit those suspensions until registered which Legia failed to do. He was registered AFTER their 2nd round qualifiers. This meant that the first game against Celtic, he served his 1st suspension of the 3 he was due to serve.
He was named in squad and on bench and played whilst suspended.
Because Legia played a suspended player in clear violation of the rules Celtic were awarded the tie 3-0 which meant Celtic went through.


For all you Legia fuckwits what is so * difficult to understand.

 

They will win this. Remember UEFA have to accept CAS decision. Can tell UEFA tried to block them Fast tracking it to Monday and Legia got it.

As they said on the BBC, its a clear one. Legia progression and Celtic out of Europe altogether, due to visa issues for Kazahstan.

 

the thing is, CAS hasn't fast tracked anything, there was a guy from cas on ssn being interviewed on Friday morning, saying that CAS, if they wish, could start the hearing straight away and run through Saturday and sunday.

but they didn't.
tells you everything, doesn't it ? :icon_mrgreen:

 

The fast track could have started over the weekend but UEFA said no - so Monday it is with a decision made by 6 Swiss time.

If Legia win there is no way Celtic will be punished by not playing in Europa.

Still unsure why Celtic need to submit a statement to CAS though...

 

Maybe UEFA take a dimmer view on suspended players rather than ineligible players and that's why it's a case of if a team plays a suspended player then they're out. No discussion.

Bereszynski was given a ban because of violent conduct and a sending off, so because he had already been issued a ban, has HAS to serve his ban. It's not a rule that is up for discussion because the player has already been given his sentence so to speak, so if he plays when he's supposed to be banned, then the team gets punished. It would be like you if you got a ban from driving for 12 months...if you're caught driving within that 12 months, even if it were for only 3 minutes and no damage was done, then you still get done for it. No ifs, buts or ands.

The ineligibility rule is probably not deemed as serious as playing a suspended player, and that is why that can be either fined OR booted out, depending on circumstances of course.

Just saw that. Unreal. Celtic have a second chance in the Champions League here but instead of showing support, that rag gets any story they can to put the boot into us.

So much for showing support huh?

 

Cheers, that's me depressed

 

Na not a chance the Press enjoy sticking the boot into celtic.

 

No chance celtic would be excluded from Europe they would have to postpone the EL games and allow for visa processing times.