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Illegia's UEFA appeal fails - Going to CAS. FAILS AGAIN

Discussion in 'World Football' started by dazza297, Aug 11, 2014.

Discuss Illegia's UEFA appeal fails - Going to CAS. FAILS AGAIN in the World Football area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. Daddybear29

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    I would imagine so but if that was to happen that would be a massive brass neck IMO, but then again legia have broke written rules of a competition doesn't matter about all this "didn't factor the game pish" they are going on about.

    But I suppose they are just exploring all avenues of appeal.
     
  2. Daddybear29

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    Is that not intimidation or a form of tapping up what berg done, regardless where CAS let them back in or not this is gonnae * uefa rig off and could cause havoc in football this season I hope celtic report them and uefa throw the book at them!
     
  3. CelticBhoyDavid

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    Say the aggregate was 0-0 up to halftime in the 2nd leg. Bereszynski comes on at halftime and then scores a header from a corner. The tie ends 1-0 to Legia. Obvious unfair advantage compared to the current situation, BUT it can't be a pick and choose rule. There's no difference from him being fielded at half time and scoring a goal or just coming on when there's just 3 minutes left and doing sod all.

    A banned player gets played then the match is forfeit. No grey areas.
     
  4. Daddybear29

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    And that's the written rule at the end of the day so to the man on the street, you would say case closed, you * up!
     
  5. Mr Hoopy

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    And...

    "...the question will be whether the fielding of a player who was apparently suspended would lead to the forfeiture of the game or not"

    The answer is a resounding yes it does as it is written in the rules written by UEFA and therefore Legia have no case as UEFA clearly followed their own rules :celt_2:
     
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    Exactly, but that lot are determined to play on people's sympathies, make us the bad guys, and nit pick the rule to death.

    Honestly, it's really so annoying now because you just know that these * will go to the Swiss courts next if CAS doesn't do anything.
     
  7. dazza297

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    Everytime you post it's like war and peace , Ffs give it a break. The rules of uefa are written by people who must cover all arguements and eventualities that pish clubs might throw at them like Legia, these rules are also then scrutinised by lawyers for loopholes and flaws. The rules in your case are clear , was your player ineligible or eligible ? Ineligible being unavailable for selection due to (signed under transfer embargo,awaiting a work permit,requiring to be register with relevant FA etc )not available for selection whatsoever. Suspended is where you must be made available to the squad list and be registered to it and then sit out your ban , not sit out your ban whilst not registered . Debrecen came under ineligible . In your case he was suspended and played . You can argue he sat out the games but that is not the correct procedure , they must sit out while registered! You can try and drum up as much hate as you like and yes I do believe it is harsh but so is life my friend and laws and rules we abide by . #explanationforthehurting
     
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    Meh, I believe that it was article 17 (not sure about the number and not going to look for it again) which states that teams have to register players `that are to be fielded in the competition`. Meanwhile suspension means that `player is not to be fielded in the competition for----number of matches`. Already contradiction number 1. If you are supposed to register players who are to be fielded, yet suspended players are not to be fielded, then how can a suspension be served only when player is registered? Anyway, thats after 10 minutes of looking and I am not a lawyer. There are multiple other arguments that people smarter than me were able to find. Also, just read the description of what CAS does and what is their main basis for giving a verdict. Just a hint for you: it is a proportionality law, active in EU, and that (from CAS`s status) has to be reflected in all of the rules set by sport federations. So basicaly if they believe that the penalty is not proportional to the deed, then they can remove the legal obligation for such penalty. So that +loopholes and contradictions pointed out in appeal, which are legit according to the independednt lawyers that reviewed it, cause this situation not to be so clear after all.


    Anyway, all will be known on monday.
     
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    See this is the main thing for me. They didn't deviate away from a rule to * a team over. They didn't make up anything just to * a team over. They followed their own rule. CAS surely can't ignore that fact and just go along with sympathy.

    I mean imagine it.

    CAS: "You have a rule stating a suspended player cannot play in a match?"
    UEFA: "Aye"
    CAS: "The ruling is the team forfeits the match?"
    UEFA: "Again, aye"
    CAS" "You followed your own rule to a tee?"
    UEFA: "See above"
    CAS: "OK you followed your own ruling, so...ah, * it. We feel sorry for the poor wee Polish * as it was only a clerical error. We're reinstating them"

    Can't see it happening to be honest.
     
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    :50: my sentiments and hopes exactly mate
     
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    Have fun in Kazakhstan

    Felt sorry for Legia at first, but now just see you lot as a bunch of emo racist scumbags.
     
  12. dazza297

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    CAS: It depends on what is requested by legia. If the request is to declare the uefa decision illegal or contrary to its rules, it is then a legal discussion and we should be able to provide a prompt answer only after reviewing the uefa decision and it's rules , this can be done in a short time frame .

    Which means they will see the offence which is playing a suspended player and then they will check uefa rules on this and rule that uefa have followed the rules and give a quick answer. If however it is a different arguement of Legia feeling robbed and the player not affecting the result etx then they still don't have a leg but will take months .
     
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    On the basis they keep losing the appeals it should prevent them taking it any further now. How many times can people keeping telling them no...?
     
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    Just heard two interviews one from Berg, who has a dig at Celtic and the other from the owner. Berg talks about how Celtic were fine with them between the two ties and then once the ineligible player row broke out they didn't speak. He goes on to talk about getting" beat like they did on the pitch "and some other *.

    Anyway out of the two interviews and from the many others I've heard, not once have I heard them accept that the whole incident was down to a * up by them.

    "Mistakes are forgiveable but only if you have the courage to admit it"
     
  15. dazza297

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    Damien I want you to reply to my posts above or shut up
     
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    I think the rule is very fair and the punishment fits the crime perfectly. No sympathy for them they brought it on themselves by being incompetent. The rule are clear and easy to follow just the way they should be, why should they change because one club didn't understand/follow them?

    Now we just need to get past Maribor. Also hope Legia get pumped in EL qualifier they deserve it.
     
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    Jungo will be in here soon looking for the video.
     
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    So clingy .... Should put an injunction out in them creepy *
     
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    If i had Hunning Bergs adress i would send him a cute Panda teddybear
     
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