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Aleksandar Tonev

Discussion in 'World Football' started by SloBhoy, Aug 11, 2014.

Discuss Aleksandar Tonev in the World Football area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. murphy88

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    If there is no evidence, then would you not take it further, considering this could seriously jeopardise his career in the future.
     
  2. Dáibhí

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    As I asked before, has it been announced that the club and Tonev aren't taking it further?
     
  3. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    The Club have stated publically they will back him as his Manager and Assistant manager. If he were to take it to CAS the Club would (at least on the face of it) back him.

    I don't agree with a refusal to appeal to a higher power being an admittance of guilt. There are other factors at play just now; does he have the gumption to continue to pursue his name being cleared? Does he want to lengthen the period this cloud has been hanging over his head? Does he ultimately care that the Association he is on loan within have branded him something with no evidence?

    I would personally be taking the case to CAS at the earliest possible opportunity but it is entirely his decision whether he does or not.
     
  4. murphy88

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    Heard earlier that it looked likely we wouldn't be.

    Reading his statement, do you think he really wants to take it further to prove his innocence? If you were being accused of something that could put your job at risk in the future, and you knew you were innocent, would you let it lie, and be willing to accept being branded a racist?
     
  5. Dáibhí

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    If the situation was actually as cut & dried and simplistic as we're treating it? No. But I doubt the situation is as simple as we're making it out to be.
     
  6. Soul Rebel

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    No matter the complexities surrounding a case like this, if it was me and I knew 100% I was innocent i'd be fighting this all the way. Even if I knew I was guilty i'd probably still do it just because i'd know the SFA have * all to go on and in court they'd probably be screwed.
     
  7. WolfOfParkhead

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    Not taking something like this further shows a sign of one thing thats been already mentioned here and to me that should be contract torn up and go back to being paul lamberts problem.

    Unless he somehow turns into a good player which the chances of that are slim. Him being at our club and not fighting it is only a bad thing for us.
     
  8. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    His ability as a footballer STILL being brought up :52:
     
  9. murphy88

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    See, personally for me, it wouldn't matter how the situation is. If I knew I was innocent, and was being branded a racist, and I knew my future as a professional footballer was potentially being put at risk somewhat, then even if I had to do it off my own back, I would be taking this all the way. As I said earlier, only if I was innocent.
     
  10. WolfOfParkhead

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    Of what value is it to our club having him if he has accepted that he is a rascist and he will now probably remain at our club and we will have someone that has been proven a racist (o knpw there's * all evidence) on our books. Atleast if he was half decent you could live with it like Liverpool did.
     
  11. murphy88

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    Deary dear.
     
  12. Liam Scales

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    Ability as a footballer shouldn't matter either way.
     
  13. Dáibhí

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    So, what exactly is the argument being put forward now? Originally it was a case of him being innocent until proven guilty, a case of him not being classified by his own fans as a racist regardless of what the SFA or the redtops have to say about it because there was no actual evidence to prove it.

    Now it's a scenario where unless he behaves in a certain manner in the face of the accusations he should be considered guilty? Despite the fact that there still isn't any change in the evidence situation?
     
  14. Gabriel Beidh an lá linn Gold Member

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    Seems many would be happy with a talented racist rather than a player of lesser ability who might not be racist.
     
  15. Slaw

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    Wow :smiley-laughing002:
     
  16. lisbonlion11

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    he should be sent on his way. Only damages the image of our club. Either terminate the contract now or whenever the loan runs out. Good player that tonev is, he has been proven guilty of a racist comment, and i find it shocking Celtic are playing this down as if nothing happened. Let him start a fresh with a new club.
     
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    There was 'evidence'. The tribunal questioned both players and three witnesses, including John Collins. They found Logan's evidence persuasive, Tonev's not.

    There is no reason whatsoever for Logan to make this up, he acted absolutely properly and frankly shame on anyone who calls the man a liar.

    I leave open the possibility that Logan misheard what Tonev actually said, but Tonev did not argue this in his evidence to the panel.

    The club should have taken an explicitly anti-racist line from the start rather than 'we believe our player' casting aspersions on Logan.
     
  18. WolfOfParkhead

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    So if tonev was a good as suarez you can tell me that you would want him out of the club. I'd make no lies about if tonev was a good player id still want him at club as he could do a lot of good for the club on the pitch like suarez did at Liverpool. But hes * and hes accepted being a rascist so whats in it for us now.
     
  19. Glasgow_Bhoy88

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    No he hasn't.
     
  20. Gabriel Beidh an lá linn Gold Member

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    Has he accepted being a racist or perhaps he feels he would be wasting his time after he was disbelieved on two occasions. If he fought his case in a fair court of law he would be found not guilty.