Aleksandar Tonev

Do you not see the irony in that statement?

 

He is of course innocent until proven guilty, but I can't believe there are people defending the phrase in question.

 

It's just something i've never bought into a don't agree with. Why should words be out of bounds because what other people have done a long time ago? or are even doing now? its got nothing to do with me or you or anybody, the people doing stuff like that should be dealt with.

If a country started slaughtering their fat people for being greedy or lazy, would we then have to stop using that?

 

Agree. Everybody has there opinions. Nobody is right in this, because racism really is a grey area.

Why is calling someone a ginger * not the same as calling someone a black *. It's not the red heads fault she was born with a red napper

 

Exactly this.

 

why because i am answering the question or denying the same accusation you are continuously putting to me? :smiley-laughing002: ok im getting bored of you patter now enjoy falsely accusing people of being racist and condoning abuse so long as it isnt racist abuse :bbpd:

 

How is racism "a grey area"? Calling a black person a "black *" is about as open and shut as it gets FFS. :smiley-laughing002:

 

Nobodys defending anything, people are wondering why others are classing insults as worse than others?

If you called Ally McCoist a fat * and he went away and committed suicide because of it. Would you go "haha imagine killing yourself because of that, I only mentioned the mass or your skin, its not as if I mentioned the colour of it"

 

For someone who likes to pretend others don't read his posts you do a good job of not reading mine.

For example where I said more than once that abuse is wrong regardless of what sort it is. Racist abuse is wrong. All abuse is wrong. I can say that but you can't even identify racism. Your posts on this matter have been entertainingly surreal though, I'll give you that.

But feel free to misrepresent - sorry, "misinterpret" :smiley-laughing002: - my boring patter as you wish.

 

Words are out of bounds because the SFA, FIFA and UEFA, and the law, say they are but. I'm not magicking racism being a bad thing out of thin air here. The vast majority of people, and the law, and the regulations of football, consider the term "black *" used toward a black person to be racism, and wrong.

Hypothetical and irrelevant.

 

Didn't a guy in Rugby League get a 5 game ban for homophobic abuse? I think all sorts of abuse should be dealt with not just racist abuse

 

There is little comparison between calling someone a fat * and calling them a black * though, except in the minds of two or three posters on here.

 

But then you're classing yourself as an authority on how others should feel. What gives you the right to do that?

 

How am I?

Legally, racially aggravated incidents are worse than "fat-aggravated incidents".

 

if this isn't condoning abuse that isnt racist i dont know what is

 

Mate av been using the term "black *" or "black *" all my life not one of those people I offended have ever turned round and said a was racist, not one. In Scotland calling someone a black * isn't racist. Telling someone to go get a wash is racist new aye? Behave son!

Calling someone a ginger redheaded * is as open and shut as it gets FS! Your just saying it isn't because a have no doubt you have called someone with red hair a "ginger *" and saying it isn't racist because you have said it before.

You a racist Doire!

 

:icon_mrgreen: I am indeed a massive racist, hence me saying that racism and racist abuse are wrong. That's what us racists do.

Saying that racism is racist is, indeed, racist.

You scamp Sonny.

 

Because an insult's an insult and all an insult is, is a word or whatever to hurt someone elses feelings. So when you're saying ones worse than an other, you're telling people how they should think/feel when you don't know.

 

Actually I was stating, objectively, that the law considers racially aggravated incidents to be more serious than "fat-aggravated" incidents.

It wasn't my opinion, it was a statement of legal fact. Hence me using "legally" in the sentence.

But then you knew that.

Anyway, why are you still bothering with my boring, misrepresentative (sorry, misinterpretative) patter? Are you addicted to it?

 

But I wasn't saying one was worse than the other though, was I?

All abuse is wrong, but legally speaking you will be punished more for a racially aggravated incident than a "fat-aggravated" one. That's not my opinion - that is simply relaying the objective legal facts of the matter.

You can actually be done for various other forms of abuse as well, and rightly so in my opinion.