Aleksandar Tonev

Abuse is wrong. Racist abuse is both wrong and extremely serious.

How does that make me a "greeting hypocrite"?

 

There is no right or wrong on wether its acceptable or unacceptable though. Everyone is different and has different views on what they find offensive or not. Me personally I find nothing offensive, im happy to let anyone say anything about anyone. But others have different opinions on stuff. Like if 10 people queued up and they were all called fat *, some would find it offensive and some wouldnt bother their arses.

I dont find myself important enough to decide whats worse or if they should be offended or not its up to them.

 

None of which happened, bu if you tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth. And I admire your "misrepresentation v misinterpretation" gambit.

And I advise you not to * it when someone pulls you up on what you have written in post after post after post after post, and pulls apart each of your posts in close detail.

 

yes racist abuse is unacceptable like i have already said does this make racist abuse worse than other kinds of abuse no all forms of abuse are unacceptable and should be viewed equally like myself and others are trying to explain to you but you cant seem to get your head round it

 

Cause who are you to decide how others should feel?

When you say anything to anyone you don't know how they will react or what you'd think.

If you called a black person a black *, they might not think anything of it. Or you could call someone a specky ginger cow and they could go and jump off a bridge.

 

you are totally missing the point of what we are all trying to get across to you

 

There is, though - racism and racially aggravated conduct is widely considered (also according to SFA, UEFA and FIFA rules, and the law) to be a very grave offence indeed. Hence the constant campaigns against it.

This isn't about subjectivity. This is about two or three posters on here suggesting that "black *" objectively isn't racism ('it's just distinguishing him by physical appearance') or extremely serious, when it very clearly is.

Racism is not a matter of it being "up to them" though. If a white football player calls a black football player "a black *" (or if a black football player calls a white football player "a white *" for that matter) it's a racially aggravated incident and taken very seriously.

 

Keeping on saying that doesn't make it true, except perhaps to you.

And it isn't "we all" against me.

And I can do smilies too: :frilly:

 

get a grip nobody anywhere has said this people are saying that racism is serious but what makes it any more serious than other kinds of abuse?

 

Try it and see. Seriously like.

 

Personally, if I was a football manager, I'd like to have defenders who don't get upset if someone calls them names. Verbals have always been part of sport, but now political correctness and racism accusations have grown into a cottage industry.
Sit back everyone and see what develops.

 

and now you come out with the personal digs is this really what it has come to? your argument has come to a dead end your going round in circles instead reading things with an open mind you decide to have a dig at people and attempt to 'out smiley' people?

 

I get my head round it perfectly well, I just disagree with you. You seem to have a problem with me disagreeing with you.

:bbpd:

 

Thats only cause you're buying into other peoples opinions though. I dont and not everybody does, people have different ideas on everything.

For me words are words and they should be left at that, thats my rules on it.

 

Dearie me. Do you find this approach usually works, or is the first time you've tried it?

You think "black *" is acceptable patter to use toward a black person. I don't. That's fine.

 

Justification in wide social context is probably a matter of opinion. Personally, I don't think it is justified. Offending someone based on their hair, skin, height, weight etc is probably just as hurtful to the people who have the abuse inflicted. We are human, have tempers and unfortunately commonly the first way to insult someone is to have a pop at an 'inferioroty' the abuser might seem to perceive the abused has compared to themselves. Some minds work differently to others. Some might see white skin as better. Taller as better. Or being a non ginger as better.

 

The guy is innocent until proven guilty if he is guilty of it I personally would terminate his loan and send him back to Villa but lets wait for the findings of SFA before we start calling him a racist

 

No, I just don't think racism has a place at Celtic. That's not me buying into anything, that's my own view.

Fair enough. We'll agree to disagree.

 

once again like i have said on countless occasions i have never said this which just proves that you are going round in circles

 

Could say the same of anything though. Infact I have once ended up in a fight cause I said to a guy "youre no a hun are you" and he was :smiley-laughing002: