Aleksandar Tonev

"Black *" is used in Ireland in that sense too (used particularly against cops) but no one calls a black person a "black *" unless they are a racist.

Calling a black person a "black *" is racist. There's really no getting away from this fundamental point.

 

Whats calling a fat person a fat *? has that got a fancy name-tag as well?

 

That's a bit of an odd response. Calling a fat person a fat * is obnoxious.

Calling a black person "a black *" - racism, yes or no? And is racism acceptable or unacceptable?

Simple questions, simple answers.

 

because you are picking and choosing what parts of peoples posts you want to see and ignoring the parts that prove you wrong :smiley-laughing002:

 

Get to * with that, its a persons choice to get fat, fat people weren't slaves and discriminated against for 100s of years.

 

You tell yourself that.

Now, is "black *" racist, and is racism acceptable or unacceptable?

 

Gotta agree with this. Putting the word 'black' in front of '*' is singling out the face that he is black, which is a direct consequence of his race. Therefor it has to be classed as a racially aggrevated comment and is a racist action.

If you called someone a 'ginger' * for example, you'd be singling out the fact that he is ginger, which as far as know isn't a race. It would clearly be a discriminatory action though... Although this seems more socially acceptable than racist action.

 

I never said it wasn't racism, I just said that if that is racism (which is a crime, out of order etc. etc.) then how does calling someone a ginger * differ in terms of offensiveness?

It's not defending racism, but the word black is not offensive, the word * is offensive. He shouldn't have said it either way but is calling an opposition player a * acceptable on a football pitch without a reference to skin colour before it?

 

Calling a black person "a black *" is both racist and offensive in any context.

I don't really see your difficulty in understanding this.

 

this is pathetic

at no point have i said racism is 'innocent' and 'doesnt matter' i have said that other forms of abuse need to be viewed the same this is the same for where you have somehow plucked out of thin air that the term 'black * is harmless'

im not on anybodys side simply saying there is two sides to every story which you seem to be ignoring along with most other things

and if it is irrelevant to the topic why did you bring it up in the first place?

 

Whats that got to do with anything though?

Tonev hasnt enslaved people or discriminated against them for 100 years?

 

Ano he did He's no got a clue that boy just ignore him

 

so if that isnt what you are doing why are you quoting and deleting the parts you choose to ignore?

and like i have said 1000 times yes calling a somebody a 'black * is racist abuse abuse being the key word

the question for yourself is if somebody calls somebody a 'fat *' or a 'speccy *' is this abuse?

 

has tonev enslaved anybody? this means nothing in todays society black people are equal citizens so where does this come into play?

 

Then stop posting if it's beneath you to continue doing so.

No, what I have said is that you seem to consider racism to be innocent and that it doesn't matter and that the term "black *" is harmless. Which is clearly what you have done and anyone who reads your posts will come to that conclusion.

You have said repeatedly that there are two sides, whilst implying that Logan is using racism to gain an advantage rather than actually having been racially abused by Tonev. Your side is clear.

This is a deliberate and rather embarrassing misrepresentation on your part. I wrote that you saying "I'm not bothered what other people think of me" is irrelevant to the topic at hand. Which it is.

 

To me it's exactly the same. Anyone who would call someone a fat *, then start greeting about racism is a * and a hypocrite imo

As none of us were involved in the causing of words to become worse than others, we're in the here and now and shouldnt be judged on whats happened in the past.

 

Exactly, but is that justified?

 

saying somebody is black is not racist it is simply an observation of the colour of their skin the same as calling somebody white or calling somebody tall, saying it in a derogatory manner, in this case by adding *, makes it racist

 

In your last post you deliberately misrepresented something I wrote - my response to you stating you don't care what people think of you - so please, less of the "quoting and deleting the parts you choose to ignore".

I have replied in detail to most of your last posts - multi-quoting even! - so this whole "my words are taken out of context" patter is absurd.

You haven't said this a thousand times. But finally you concede that "black *" is racist abuse. And is racist abuse wrong? I'm hoping you'll say it is.

Yes it's abuse. Obviously so. Why would it not be?

The question for you, which you have dodged and whinged your way around, is whether or not racism is acceptable or unacceptable.

 

im not saying the conversation is pathetic im saying that your attempt to uphold an argument with no foundation is pathetic and you are yet again clutching at straws trying to pick a petty argument with 'misrepresentation' in which i believe you mean misinterpretation

i advise you go back and actually read comments instead of saying you have jumping to conclusions and trying to read other members minds