Big Jock Slur - time to fight back

I say we ignore it. Don't let them get to us.

 

Don't get me wrong- the letters to Murray are a good idea, but don't try to argue back against the Rangers fans who say this. Like that Big Dave Knew thing a while back, it's just dragging us down to their level.

 

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Heard the huns and trumpets giving this laldy the other night. It makes me sick to the pit of my stomach and am finding it extremely hard to ignore now.

 

did anyone else know that richard gough a while back was caught with a 14 year old in his shower his excuse was he was homless and needed a clean my * people should get this out and fight back

 

what planet have u been on,,

 

danny,,call me a cynic ,and ive not looked at the news letter, but heres the but

u say it costs no more than a pound,ok a pounds not much,,but its a lot if a lot of people send a letter,, why cant u just give a copy to talk celtic and we can ,if we choose send it ourselves for much less ,"a price of a stamp"

have u put the news letter on other sites,,truth m8,,,and who gets the money for ure news letter..

and something like this was posted here ages ago can mind what for ,,and was found out not to be trustworthy,

i write this as i feel i have to because 99% of talk celtic members are the bees knees
id hate to think ure making money from this,,

 

a bit of edit to suit there m8,,he wasent (caught ) And a fourteen year old what,, pidgen ,,it was a boy who was homeless and he helped him ,fed and watered him and let him get clean,,

homeless people get dirty ,smell and hungery

why cant we give him the benifit of the doubt,,can no one help anyone any more? /

if ure mad at the jock slur,,,why are u suggesting slurring someone else with no eveidence or fact or collabration

is that not a bad as them

 

I agree with Paul67, there is no way that this kind of untrue filth can be ignored.

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing"

One thing that's for certain. The people who are spreading these lies are scum of the highest order.

We need to campaign to get the website closed once and for all.

Jock was and will always remain a true legend.

Hail, Hail

Jamie

 

We are letting it get to us, and publiciisng what they are saying is what they want, just let it lie we no he was a legend end of.

 

There is no point rangers fas will never give it up now they have lost the billys boys so this has took its place what is worse?? i wish they has kept the billy boys & this might never have happend!! Even hearts & motherwell are at it now

 

may i suggest a banner from us along the lines.

JOCK KNEW HOW TO WIN THE EURO CUP KNOWLEDGE IS WONDERFUL

 

they are all at it everytime you confront them about it it is not them who is singing it is someone else who is singing it but when you here them blatantly singing it it is a disgrace to the memory of jock stein his family and all celtic supporters the world over how would they like it if we disgraced ourselves by singing about the people who died at the ibrox park disaster after all they are the ones who openly say aberdeen fans are a disgrace for singing about that but when they do it is ok if the people who are in charge do not do something about it now we are going to see some serious trouble at some of the old firm games it is a total disgrace and if i were a rangers fan i would be ashamed

 

Paul you're not going to like this..... but you don't deal with the point.

Firstly I don't know (and neither do you) that Jock Stein knew or didn't know. Fortunately we live in a country where you are innocent until proven guilty and therefore we have the right to presume his innocence. Do you have any evidence that he didn't know ? Let's be honest the details of this are so sketchy that it's all wild speculation.

You seem to accept that neither the radio station nor the presenter have an agenda against Celtic or Jock Stein. And yet you still insist that we should boycott the station and the guy should be sacked. Sorry but I don't follow that logic. You also seem to accept that it is genuinely possible that McKenna did not know what BJK means. And yet you still want him sacked.

So you then say that you cannot believe that he was stupid enough to say it when he didn't know what it really meant. We ALL say things, use expressions etc which we do not fully understand. There have been Celtic fans on TC who have been big enough to say they don't know what BJK means and who have also said that they mistakenly thought it meant that Big Jock knew how to put out a team that were all conquering. It is possible that McKenna thought it meant something like that for example. If he was a Celtic supporter as a boy (and I believe he was) he would not say it if he knew what it meant. Therefore he must have thought it meant something else, something more innocent. He * up and he held his hands up to his blunder. You found his apology feeble, I didn't. But I suspect that no apology would have been enough for you.

To kick up a fuss about this is, to me, a mistake. If a tiny minority of scumbags want to tell lies about a great man then I am not even going to give their lies creedence by challenging them. Jock Stein's 'greatness' is not going to be tarnished by the idiotic ramblings of a small bunch of low lifes.

Sometimes I feel Celtic supporters aren't happy unless we've got something to moan about. They're all against us.

 

Found this on a rangers site


This argument has been raging for years.

In summary, Jim Torbett was charged and convicted of child abuse in the 60s, a vile act taking place within the confines of Celtic Boys Club, which is tied to the football club only by name.

The crimes were committed upon goalkeeper Alan Brazil among others, and Torbett was eventually kicked out of his job and into prison.

These facts are not in dispute. Abuse DID happen. And the history has stained Celtic Boys Club ever since.

However, the fallout has been a passionate argument about whether or not Celtic manager Jock Stein knew about the abuse, and more pertinently, whether he kept his counsel on it.

But this is not where my post is trying to go.

Recently the press has been filled with constant McCann speculation, and the truth of that story is we will probably never know the facts. Just like we do not about the BJK situation. And yet, I strongly suspect that particular story will never find itself being chanted on football terraces as a 'protest against the parents'. It's a tenuous example I admit, but the point is surely clear:

The chant of BJK has absolutely nothing to with protecting victims of child abuse, and it's a vulgar notion to suggest that it is. The grins on the faces of fans and scarf waving surely proves these people are not campaigning for a new programme to aid victims of child abuse - they are nothing more than pointscoring against Celtic using child abuse to do so.

We are disgusted when we hear those vile Aberdeen chants about the Ibrox Disaster. How is BJK any different?

Both are odious subjects which mock the appalling misfortune of others, and both are from almost half a century ago.

It is a chant which stains the reputation of Rangers - a dignified club with respect using child abuse to stick a finger up at its rivals? That surely isn't the Rangers Way - but it seems it has become so.

One last point; anyone who tries to claim it's not using child abuse as a device, and is purely protesting against an apparent cover up againt Stein; do you really think the best place to make your point is at a football ground?

 

Good find Dougal.

It just shows - there are decent Rangers fans out there.

 

Whether there are decent Rangers fans out there is not really the issue is it though?We all know Ranger's fans who are good people.

For what it's worth here is my tuppence on it.I'll put McKenna's remark down to ignorance and take his apology at face value.

There are 3 people who should be tackled on it tho.

1:Murray:These chants are coming from the official approved section of the club at every game they attend.

2avid Edgar:Chief apologist for the Huns who has steadfastly maintained a strict silence on this.The RST has done absolutely nothing to prevent this from going on.

3:Mark Dingwall:He's the one who provides a platform for these cretins to perpetuate their lies and unproven allegations.

These are the people who should be taken to task.

Lest one forget Stein,his family and Celtic are not the only victims of wrongdoing here.There are the real victims out there,people such as Alan Brazil and others who should not have to be reminded of this every time RFC play a fottball match.or have to view their moronic posters,and scrawls everytime they use the motorway.