The Ronny Deila Thread

Players didn't perform for him. Absolutely horrendous to watch.

 

Lost faith in him last night. It really was make or break. Gutted.

 

Stay. Not his fault what happened last night.

 

The logical explanation is that we folded under the pressure, a pressure which the players have carried since last seasons failure. Throw into that a decent team, with a superb home record in a hostile stadium and we can forgive them... this time.

But ppl on here need to get a grip.

However, real investment is needed. a striker, a left back and a competent CB are paramount if we are to salvage the season ahead with a good euro run.

 

Gotta be honest, a few of us were laughing yesterday about what the atmosphere would be like over there but it was pretty * good I have to say. The Malmo fans really did get behind their team. Fair play to them. Even watching it in the pub it seemed like the stadium was bouncing.

 

The players we have are not good enough, just like last season as well. Last night is the first time I've just accepted that we simply aren't good enough to play at the top level in Europe. We are too slow and predictable going forward, weak up top, and poor defensively. We don't have enough players who are good enough on the ball.

 

Stay for now but I honestly don't know where we go from here.

 

Was thinking the same last night . Malmo today are where we were a few years ago. Then we had a steeliness about us. Then Teams were intimidated by Parkhead. Then we had Managers like MON, WGS, Lenny. Now they don't fear us. They actually want to play us, e.g. Malmo when the draw came out. Now we have Ronny, who for me comes across as a genuinely good man, who wants to do well, who wants to please....but he lacks that bit of steeliness, that bite. When you looks at the great Teams, the successful teams, they have always had Managers who have that steeliness about them and we are a classic example with Big Jock.
Ronny has admitted that in the past he had doubts about whether he was good enough. Well if he had doubts then he certainly will have doubts now. Berget & Rosenberg have gone back to Scandinavia and been huge successes. Will Ronny do the same? I wouldn't be surprised if he chose do so.

 

Lennon also had them to beat, massive difference, Ronny has had it handed to him on a plate domisticly. Can't see this team doing anything in Europe at all, Lennon's side you could clearly see the potential.

 

Ach, I'm not going to be too hard on Ronny. Martin O'Neill's first European campaign at Celtic wasn't a raging success, Strachan's was a disaster, Mowbray's wasn't great and it took Neil Lennon a while to suss it out as well.

Ronny's still on a learning curve here. He's not going to get an infinite amount of time to learn but it's too soon to write him off yet. I'm more * off at the board than Ronny. I just don't think they're giving him all the resources they could(although I'm sure Ronny knew that would be the case before he took the job) and that's what frustrates me. Our team could be better than it is and I don't blame Ronny for that. I think he's probably doing about as much as he can do with the hand he's being dealt.

Mind you, we spend more on players than Malmo or Maribor do and we've been knocked out of Europe by both of them in the last year. So maybe Ronny does deserve more blame than I'm giving him.

Ach * it. Really don't know what to think at the moment.

 

Not trying to be negative but does anyone else think we just don't have the players to play the system Ronny wants us to play in Europe.
It's a good system but when we come up against good teams who pressurise us we get torn apart.
Last year we had 2 fantastic CBs in VVD and Denayer, yet we leaked a * tonne of goals in Europe.
It works well in Scotland cuz, man for man, we are better than any other team in the league.
But for it to be effective against top teams, we need players in the middle of the park who are better at keeping the ball and will support the back 4, we need fast fullbacks who can put in a defensive shift too, we need natural wide AMs who can beat a defender and has a great final ball, we need a CAM who has great vision for splitting defenses with passes and linking the play, and we need a striker who can hold the ball up, bring the MFs into the game and ultimately score goals.

IMO we have the players who possess most of the criteria needed for each role, but each player is either too inconsistent or lacks certain qualities needed.

Fullbacks: Lustig is good for his role, just too injury prone. Izzy has pace and can beat a man, but suspect defensively and lacks a final ball

Brown and Bitton when on form can be very effective, but it seems that one or both of them to tend to have an off night every so often.

Forrest and GMS are our only natural wingers, but neither seem to have that killer final ball, not consistently anyway.

Johansen in CAM can be a game changer, but is often posted missing when we need him most.

Griffiths is a great goalscorer and will bust his nut for the team, but lacks that bit of class that top CL strikers possess. Not suited to lone striker role, imo.

I know it's all obvious stuff and you could say this for any system in any team of players, but surely there is a system we can adapt that suits us better against better teams. Lenny and Strachan used to set up totally differently in Europe than in Scotland to make up for the significant rise in the quality of teams we'd be facing.

 

Investment in the squad is needed badly. The team is not good enough to qualify for the Champions League at this time. We are shaky at the back and the team needs a playmaker in midfield and more bite. After Lennon's team doing well - ( beating Barcelona etc.) - that is when further investment was needed to keep qualifying.

 

I think you are a genuine Bhoy, who cares, really cares, about his Team. The first time I saw the Hoops was 55 years ago and can tell you that night's like last night still leave me flat. However having experienced sooo many of them over the years, life has taught me that, someday, there's always tomorrow...and what a Glorious Tomorrow we will have.

 

I believe Deila is simply not good enough when it comes to setting up the defensive side of a team. There have been no improvements in our defensive ability, even after one season of him running the show. One example: Mulgrew used to play well under Lennon. Under Deila, he's nowhere near that form. I believe Deila is not the right manager for the club.

 

The yardstick for our manager is European competition. Winning domestic cups against teams not good enough to grace the EL group stages is not an achievement. This year beating the likes of Dortmund at home and drawing away to Bordeaux or even Poznan trumps any domestic cup.

Hopefully RD can redeem himself in the EL. January is the time to judge him.

 

I'd challenge any of our last four managers to do much in Europe with this team. O'Neill had a great squad at his disposal, Strachan had the likes of Boruc, McGeady, Nakamura and Vennegoor of Hesselink, Lennon had Forster, Wanyama and Hooper to work with.

What's Ronny Deila got? Stuart Armstrong, Gary Mackay-Steven, Leigh Griffiths and Nadir Ciftci. None of them anything more than SPL level players at this point in time.

We're the best team in Scotland but let's call a spade a spade, we are a * team in European terms. Until the board and scouts supply Ronny with another two, three or four quality players to work with then I really don't expect him to supply us with great results in Europe. He doesn't have the tools for the job.

 

We should be better than Malmo and comfortably better than Quarabag. Maybe in the CL we would not be able to compete but we should be good enough to qualify.

 

He doesn't have some of the skills required, either. Van Dijk is probably our best player, and yet our defense is the worst part of the team. I was unhappy with Deila's appointment from the start, and my fears came true.

 

Was willing to give him benifit of doubt but last night killed it for me

 

Reminds me when Mulgrew played well at left back under Lennon.