Who Will Be Our Next Manager?

Regardless, he won a league cup with Swansea. a good team doesnt guarentee good performances. For example Moyes didnt sustain the level of performance that fergie did with relatively similar team (minus scholes).

He took them far in europe and had them beating teams above thier level.

 

First off, I am the OP... have at it.

Secondly, the speed at which the crux of my argument has both been ignored and replaced with cherry picked text bites is worthy of sevco fans.

So let me digress in order to address the inaccuracies of your replies, before I return to the main point.

Keane's "determinations" as a player were never in question, the reason, he nver needed any. Keane was undoubtedly one of the best players of his generation, no one ever doubted his ability or commitment... as a player.

Now some of you may be slightly myopic, forgetful, or even plain ignorant, but Lennon was booed on a few occasions by our fans as a player. He was also booed by our own fans during his early tenure as a manager.

He didnt point fingers. Not as a player, not as a manager. He has always took responsibility for his weaknesses as both, and used his "determination" to surpass death threats, bombs, a media onslaught, daily bigotry.... and turn into success.

Keane has NEVER taken FULL responsibility for his short comings. I'll say again. NEVER.

As a player... it was Rio's fault, it was Fergies fault... it was the prawn sandwich brigade.

As a manager... it was Niall Quinns fault, it was the boards fault, it was my lazy players' fault....

Always the finger, never the thumb.

Assistant coach suits him down to the ground. All talk, no real accountability.

He has managed twice... and been sacked TWICE. (Make no mistake...sunderland sacked him).

Not to mention his 85M * away at Sunderland.

Pour some cold fizzy water over your heads and wise up. Roy keane ffs

 

They done well to win the Cup even though they basically got a bye in the final against Bradford but the League theres nothing much between 9th-12th.

I dont think he done that well, also think they declined season after season "Alex McLeish syndrome" more of his own players he signs the worse the team gets.

He only won 6 out of 24 League games before being sacked this season, the diddy that took over won 5 out the last 14.

 

Thet deteriated because they didnt have a bigger enough squad for Europe and the premier league. Happens all the time for small clubs in the prem league that get into Europe. Dont think it reflects his managerial ability or his footballing style.

 

Nothing annoys me more than "Twitter journalists".

Making * up and tweeting it does not make you a journalist.

Arseholes who have absolutely no connection to any media, paper or club should not be allowed to post fabricated rumours about football.

The same goes for uni journalists who think the way to make it is to get people to retweet their bullshit to land them a job.

Guess what?

Your a nothing twitter monkey piece of * and have absolutely no talent.

Celtic underground and Paul from CQN are the biggest culprits for this when it comes to celtic.

Utter, utter arseholes.

 

I dislike the notion of rumors, but they seem to plague his everywhere he goes. Mallorca, Spartack and now Swansea.....

apparently he likes his holidays, no matter the situation at home.

 

A lot of that came down to the style of play brought about by Martinez, Sousa and Rodgers. He tried to continue it but brought in the wrong type of players and they started to get worse, less capable of playing with the same pace and invention as before but trying to still play possession football.

Poyet has probably done as good if not better a job as him at Sunderland, reaching a final and avoiding relegation with a worse squad who had no direction or style when he took over. Yet I wouldnt say Poyet was that good a manager either.

 

So because some people think Roy Keane is a better Manager than is being made out they are ignorant or shortsighted?

How about this; some people just rate him higher than you. Some people would be happy to see him as Manager. Some people think he did a good job at Sunderland. It is all about opinions on here and to compare fellow fans to Sevco fans over a difference of opinions is just plain daft.

 

Michael Laudrup with Morten Wieghorst
Morten did superb on his own and is a brilliant coach

 

Europe would have played a part but they still were declining I think.

He is spoken about as if he is some sort of great manager - like he is among managers like Pochettino, Rodgers, Martinez and that.

I would rank him among Poyet, Jol, Pardew and guys like that.

I also dont consider him a manager who plays good football, he just went into that set-up already in place at Swansea. If he took over Stoke next week he wouldnt have them trying to play like Swansea did, he'd probably turn Stoke into a run of the mill football team like Aston Villa or Sunderland who dont play bad football but not very good either.

 

Thats simply false. Laudrup bought in players like De Guzman, Michu, Bony, Pablo Hernandez, Chico Flores. They were immense at times under Laudrup and were beating the big teams. They started to falter because they had no depth to compete on the domestic and european fronts. He continued the good work that had already been put in place.

Poyet has done well and he is a good manager. not a lot of managers could do what he did with a team as mediocre as that. I think your managerial judgement leaves a lot to be desired. Laudrup was highly regarded in Spain and worked miracles when he was at Mallorca with little to no money.

 

Don't think the real journalists are much better in Scotland tbh.

 

Whats Pochettino done? If he finished 8th and Laudrup finished 9th

You could argue that Pochettino just took over what Adkins had in place considering he bought Wanyama who was injured alot, osvaldo who they loaned out half way through the season and Lovern whos been good but apart from that its Adkins team.

 

Most teams in Spain have no money.

I wouldnt say he worked miracles either, when he took over Mallorca they had finished 5th the season before, he then finished 17th. Only miracle there is how badly they done, not like they lost many players or anything.

I would say he was an average manager, undeserving of the reputation of some sort of good European coach who plays good football etc

 

The only way im happy with this is if somebody else signs the players but his record of signing players is shocking. We would end up with * championship players like Doyle, T Ledger and * rather than good young players from Europe like Van Dijk, Biton, Wanyama and the likes.

 

In his autobiography, Ferguson was critical of Keane's managerial style, believing his former captain was "impatient" and looked for quick fixes by signing players in bulk rather than taking the time to build a team. "The press used to see him [Keane] as a quasi-manager [during his playing days] because of his winning appetite and the way he drove the team on," wrote Ferguson. "They would ask me all the time: "Do you think Roy Keane will be a manager?" As his career in coaching developed, it became apparent that he needed to spend money to achieve results. He was always looking to buy players. I don't feel Roy had the patience to build a team."

Ominous words from one of the best managers in the game.

 

When I look at the prospect of Coyle getting the manager's job my heart sinks , and I would even accept Keane , who I hated as an United player and hated as an Irish player since the Siapan fiasco and laughed at his total lack of ability at Sunderland and Ipswich , however having said that I would accept him as manager before Coyle and the continental clowns that are supposed to be in line for the job .
However it won't be Keane , as the renewal season is over . No other name created a positive stir .

 

True, but Pochettino has done a good job with Espanyol and Southampton.

Laudrup id say done a good job with Getafe, quite well with Swansea but was average to poor at his other teams.

 

Do you not think the word real is a misrepresentation.