How Do You Think The Club Should Deal With Leigh Griffiths?

If you can't see the connection between the famine in the middle of the 19th Century, the millions that had to leave Ireland because of it (refugees) and the founding of our club, then I give up for the night. Let someone else explain. I personally wouldn't have thought to describe us as formed by refugees for refugees either, but it really wasn't difficult to understand what he was getting at or the relevance of what he was saying and it was obvious to me straight away that he had a fair point.

 

The guy was out with his mates watching the club he supports. Think some people need to have a little think to times they have done something similar, maybe not called people refugees but we have all done something we regret. Get the guy to say sorry and get over it. I fear the hatred from people in here will continue towards him after all this has finished and will ultimately be them that end his career at Celtic

 

Aye it will be hateful Celtic supporters that will end his Celtic career, not his uncanny ability to self destruct on numerous occasions.

The lad is a rocket who never seems to learn his lesson.

 

maybe this will be the what makes him realise he needs to sort it out?

 

Sean, that's a more educated reply than usual. However it is completely wrong and if you are saying Bro. Walfrid and the Irish immigrants were refugees., surely that a racist remark .

You old jack -*.

 

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You're tuned to the moon.

 

Calling Brother Walfrid a refugee is at least as bad as calling Rudi Scakel a refugee . Probably hurting a lot more people . It fully bears out a point I made earlier that everyone who has condemned Griffiths has been racist himself .
Now I have too much respect for you , random review , to call you a racist but it is very easy for us all at some time in our life to write or say something racist,
Probably in a humorous way with no malice intended . Just as that " made in Ireland " poster posted Bro. Walfrid to be a refugee, he probably didn't mean any harm . I think we should be very careful as our Lord said " he without sin cast the first stone "

 

Sean the racist , please explain how Brother Walfrid was a refugee.
By calling Brother Walfrid a refugee how can that not be as bad if not worse than calling Rudi Scakel a refugee.

 

What sort of behaviour are you talking about ?
The type of behaviour the media and others outside the club , and some who should know better and who claim to be Celtic fans , are promoting as what Leigh Griffiths is supposed to have done . Or the type of behaviour that no one seems to know for certain that Leigh Griffiths has done .
The police don't know as they need another month to see if they have any evidence .

 

If there wasn't a video with him standing up with his arms in the air signing the song then I would be inclined to agree. If you don't think there was anything wrong with the song, then debate that point, but let's not try and kid ourselves on that he wasn't singing it. If that was the case, surely he would have already come out and denied the allegations. If you were accused of something you didn't do, would you not come out and deny it?

 

I think it's quite simple really.

If Griffiths is hammered with actual racism charges the club will have to look at what their options are and see what kind of effect the situation will have on them from a PR point of view.

If they believe it could affect their reputation as a PLC, share prices or anything of that sort then they'll likely look at getting rid of him, especially if such factors outweigh his £1 million or so investment.

If it's just a section of our fans moaning on the internet and some choosing not to sing his name at games then he'll be kept on.

Let's not kid ourselves on though. The club won't be reacting in any kind of moral or socially responsible way in this situation. It'll come down to money in the end. What Lennon said previously regarding racism will play * all part in what the suits upstairs decide.

 

You know fine well he's not racist. That's just trolling, pure and simple.

 

Nobody here has called Brother Walfrid a refugee, nor has anyone asserted that he is anything at all based on his nationality.

As I said before, you have to think about the social context that would bring a man like Brother Walfrid to Glasgow. You know that a refugee situation was one of the main motivations for the creation of our club. You are splitting hairs that really don't need to be split here.

Question for you, ulsterscot: without going as far as saying we were created by and for refugees, do you admit that the singing of the Skacel song by a player of our club is actually insulting the roots of our club because of the links between the great famine, the Irish diaspora in Scotland and the creation of Celtic Football Club?

 

This is all true.

 

They were refugees! Skácel isnae! Clown.

 

Refugee - a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

It's not a racial slur on its own.

Calling someone a * refugee on account of their nationality is a racial slur.

 

We can all argue the intricacies and technicalities of the insult being legitimately racist or not, but regardless of your opinion on that matter it was discriminatory.

That's the key element for me. Racist or not, it was still meant as offensive, and it's still incredibly discriminatory.

We all know the media like to throw around the word "racist" simply because it invokes more of a response, which helps sell newspapers. That isn't up for debate.

For those who are actively defending him what it really comes down to isn't wether his actions were racist, but if you deem discrimination in any form, be it racist or otherwise, acceptable.

Personally, I don't consider the insult to be racist, but I do consider it to be discriminatory all the same, which is just as bad.

Discrimination in any form, racist or otherwise, is unacceptable in modern society.

 

Discrimination is everywhere though, so you can't go down that route. We all discriminate in favour of our friends and family all the time. If I turn up at your door and demand food and shelter for the night would you say yes (you probably would for friend's and family)? In fact discrimination and privilege are just opposite sides of the same coin (which is why Cameron's talk of privileges for all was as nonsensical as it was insincere). What kinds of discrimination are acceptable and what aren't? Is it acceptable for employers to discriminate against canditates without qualifications and experience? Most of us would say yes. To avoid this line of argument, the definition is fudged by adding the qualification: "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated". How woolly a definition is that!!!!! So was Griffiths treating Skacel worse than the way most people are normally treated by singing an offensive song about him? What if I sing an offensive song about my boss implying he's a money grabbing c*** because he belongs in the category of small business owners? Discrimination is a very tricky issue that we as a society haven't fully worked out yet.

In contrast, the definition of racism posted several times on these two threads is quite clear. If people choose to ignore that because they've always understood racism to be about skin colour, that's their problem.

 

Which is why we tend to lump anything that we deem to be at the worst end of the scale in with racism I feel.

Would you consider someone calling a Scotsman a "Jock *" as being racist?