How Do You Think The Club Should Deal With Leigh Griffiths?

Why is everyone so * keen to write him off so quickly?! I don't just mean as a Celtic player but as a human being.

 

Changing what up?

'People like me' are making the point that its worse because our club was founded by refugees, whats pathetic about pointing this out?

Its factually correct after all.

 

But you've recognised that phrase to be correct. So what's the issue?

You've said you know that Celtic was formed by refugees for refugees, what does it matter whether you've actually heard yourself or another supporter say it out loud? :smiley-laughing002:

Having said that, and as I mentioned before, the Celtic support unfurled a banner not so long ago illustrating just that.

 

What is it you are doing in here these days?

You seem to be arguing the most inane points and dealing in some ridiculous semantics rather than just deal with the story at hand.

It's as if you are on some one man crusade to pick at the most insignificant things regarding this whole episode.

 

The banner posted indicates you were wrong.

Now you are making yourself look stupid. Just admit you got it wrong.

 

So how far does a Celtic employee have to go before the club (with a 'zero tolerance' approach to racism and discrimination) decides to sack them?

 

No it doesn't :smiley-laughing002::smiley-laughing002: It says formed by immigrants, refugees are welcome. Nothing about us being formed by refugees.

I got what wrong? No one has ever used that phrase before. Whether it's semantics or not, it's just weird that since this incident people suddenly keep using that phrase that's never been used before.

 

Do you know who formed Celtic?

 

Maybe people don't like to be referred to as 'refugees'.

We've always been formed by immigrants for immigrants, but the reason they came to Scotland should be painfully obvious.

 

Yes, a man who moved to Scotland and was a teacher, or became a teacher. He moved to Scotland in the 1870's, not because he was forced to because of war or any other reason. He then helped the poor in the East End of Glasgow, which wasn't just Irish immigrants, or 'refugees'. Are you trying to argue that Brother Walfrid was a refugee?

 

People pointing out the history of our club is weird? Don't really see where you're
coming from here to be honest, if anything you are the one that's coming across weird.

Its understandable people are pointing out the history of Celtic when a player is singing a song like that about refugees.

You keep saying no one has ever used that specific phrase before, i doubt that's true. I'd be surprised if no Celtic fan had ever said we were formed by refugees. If you go back in my posts i've probably said it myself.

 

You understand he didn't do it single-handedly? But with the help of a number of prominent members of Glasgow's early Irish community.

Do you know why that Irish community existed in Glasgow? Do you know why they had to escape Ireland? Do you know what the definition of a refugee is?

 

The first four minutes of this explain what I'm trying to say better than I can.

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I tried watching it, but I can't see the relevance of it.

Is it safe to assume Celtic wouldn't be able to sack any their employees for any conduct in your view?

 

You need to think about the social context that would make a man like Brother Walfrid move to Glasgow from Sligo.

 

Please just watch the first four minutes. He explains how he educated this man and at the end of the four minutes asks what would have been gained by just beating him.

No, it wouldn't be safe to assume that. Why would you assume that?

 

That's real man talk there, Not jumping to conclusions and taking the easy way round it.

I'm bookmarking this for later

 

After a google search, I found not one article relevant to Celtic's formation that mentions anything about refugees, funnily enough though, quite a few in the past week or so.

 

Are you really arguing that our club wasn't created by and formed for refugees?

Strange, seeing as you admitted it was factually correct earlier in the thread.

 

Soul Rebel, it seems to me like you are choking to defend Griffiths but you can't quite push yourself to outright sing his praises. To compensate for that you are attacking those most vehemently against him, therefore releasing some of what you want to say without actually having to commit fully to defending him.

It's resulting in the most pointless stance anyone is taking on this issue, and that is saying something.

I'm here all week.